Birthright, License and Publication

[Azrai]

Just a hypothetical brainstorming.

Is there a possibility for the BR community

- to get the official BR license
- to publish the 3. Edition or
- to sell the license to a publisher ?

I have no idea how the financial situation of a license look like. I think we have good connections to former BR designers who maybe could support the process.

Would it be enough, if each member of the community would spend some money? Would it make sense at all to think about the possibility? Or is it absolutely utopic ?

[AnakinMiller]

Show me a quality project and I`ll support it. Show me this hodge podge of
1/24 and 1/3s and I`ll laugh. If you want to see this get published it
needs to be cleaned up, streamlined and simplified or it isn`t gonna sell.

-Anakin Miller
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"What was sundered, shall be remade.
What was stolen, shall be avenged. "
- Engraved on the Crown of Diemed

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[DanMcSorley]

On Wed, 26 Mar 2003, Azrai wrote:
> Is there a possibility for the BR community
>
> - to get the official BR license
> - to publish the 3. Edition or
> - to sell the license to a publisher ?
>
> I have no idea how the financial situation of a license look like. I
> think we have good connections to former BR designers who maybe could
> support the process.
>
> Would it be enough, if each member of the community would spend some
> money? Would it make sense at all to think about the possibility? Or
> is it absolutely utopic ?

I believe they looked into it before doing the online BRCS thing. What it
boils down to is Wizards is willing (see Dragonlance, Ravenloft) to sell
the rights to this sort of thing, but for a hefty chunk of change, and for
the rights to the profits for the CS book itself. So no, it`s not real
possible.
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[irdeggman]

And add to the fact that Birthright wasn't a real money maker for TSR in the first place. We as the "official" fan site can do pretty much what we want to as far as electronic downloads "for free". See Rich's letter in the BRCS-playtest. Several on the development team who have ties to publishing companies tried to "sell" the idea but pretty much no takers - WotC wanted too big an investment, and as was pointed out, the rights to the campaign setting book.

[Arjan]

One of the main reasons why the Dev group has kept the whole project silent for the community was that i was negociating with various d20 publishers. They said no material can be made public or there wont be a change that i would come out as a HC.
There was one party that was very interested (an ex-wizard employee) but due various reason couldnt aquire the rights.
Wizards want to keep the rights for the first hardcover, then a publisher can publish all additional books.
Thats when we choose to get it out there as a PDF file.

[ecliptic]

I wish you could get someone to publish it. I would much rather have it as a nice hardback book then some printed out booklet.

[DanMcSorley]

On Thu, 17 Apr 2003, ecliptic wrote:
> I wish you could get someone to publish it. I would much rather have
> it as a nice hardback book then some printed out booklet.

If wishes were horses, we`d all be eating steak. As has been said several
times before, not going to happen.
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[Arjan]

Originally posted by ecliptic

I wish you could get someone to publish it. I would much rather have it as a nice hardback book then some printed out booklet.

well when the final version is released, an i am finished with the final layout, i'd suggest you go to your nearest print service and let them make a HC for you... i might cost you some, but hey.. you got your HC.

A

[Shade]

At 03:36 PM 4/17/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>On Thu, 17 Apr 2003, ecliptic wrote:
>> I wish you could get someone to publish it. I would much rather have
>> it as a nice hardback book then some printed out booklet.
>
>If wishes were horses, we`d all be eating steak. As has been said several
>times before, not going to happen.

Isn`t that "if wishes were horses, then beggars would ride"? ;)

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[geeman]

My local photocopying shop has several binding options that run IIRC from
75 cents to a couple bucks. Getting a hardcover copy of a ebook would
require a whole different set of equipment apparently, but they can handle
cardstock covers, or light plastic transparent covers. (Actually, it
depends a bit on who`s working... some of the staff seem unable to manage
the machines very well.)

Color copies are probably the most expensive option, but if one is content
with B/W then a fairly decent, bound hardcopy can probably get put together
for $10-15. If you can get a better deal on the actual copies (the place
near me charges 5 cents a page, so that`d run $9.35 for the playtest`s 187
pages) then that`d bring down the price pretty quickly. Because the
playtest text is rather large it might require two "volumes" but I don`t
think that`d be the case for double sided sheets.

Of course, volume discounts can also bring down the price quite a bit, but
since no one can make any money off the reproduction or distribution of the
BRCS it might be kind of hard to put that sort of thing together. I know
you can give one of these copy places a disk and have them run off a
certain number of copies using a corporate discount rate, but they won`t
then ship those copies off to individuals. Having one person doing that
would probably violate the agreement with WotC.

Gary

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[Birthright-L]

From: "Shade" <lordshade@SOFTHOME.NET>

> Isn`t that "if wishes were horses, then beggars would ride"? ;)
>

I prefer the Arabic version:
"If the prayers of dogs were answered, bones would rain from the sky"

Makes even more of a fool of the wishful person - especially when you know
that the dog is considered an unclean animal in Arabia, and generally
scorned.

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[DanMcSorley]

On Fri, 18 Apr 2003, Shade wrote:
> >> I wish you could get someone to publish it. I would much rather have
> >> it as a nice hardback book then some printed out booklet.
> >
> >If wishes were horses, we`d all be eating steak. As has been said several
> >times before, not going to happen.
>
> Isn`t that "if wishes were horses, then beggars would ride"? ;)

It`s a joke- implying I`d eat the horse- ah, nevermind.
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