Tighmaevril Weapons

[Lawgiver]

What are the forms of the 12 tighmaevril weapons?

I know for sure one is the Heart Reaver, spear +5 , owned by Shaemes Lavalier.

The Gorgon has some of them, but I can't find my Blood Enemies book to find explicit descriptions...

Still there are others that the publications didn't define. What are your ideas?

[Magian]

I had a list of 10 of them somewhere but I cannot find them now. I found this list from the various supplements and Blood Enemies and ruins of empires books.

I think Blood enemies has 3
Ruins of Empire has 3 or 4
BoP and BoM have some I think.

[Raesene Andu]

There is also one mentioned in Legend of the Hero Kings I (an intelligent dagger called Blood Hunger).

[blitzmacher]

I just skipped through BE, Ruins, Bop, Bom and LofHK, and only found 4 Tighmaevril Weapons.
Lifender a Greatsword owned by the Gorgon with rumors that he has another Tigh weapon, no discription.
Coullannwn a dagger of defence +3, which can also direct wielder to a named dragon owner unknown. It may also have a rapier that was made to go with it but that may or may not be true.
Heart Reaver +5 spear owner Shaemes Lavalier
Blood Hunger dagger +3 Int 13, empathic capabilities, ego 10 and Align. ChE. It can locate scions 120' radius, and detect secret doors 5' radius. It also drives the wielder crazy.It also has more powers but this post is going to be long enough.
Rhoubhe is said to also own a Tigh weapon but did not say what type.
There are a couple of other weapons that act like Tigh weapons under certain circumstances, but are not true Tighmaevril.

[Dosiere]

I've compiled a list of those found in official materail and many that have been posted elsewhere:

Life Ender...................................Greatsword +5
Bloodhunger...............................Sentient Dagger +3
Sword of the Anuirean Empire........Long Sword +5 (Sentient)
Thunderclap................................Morning Star +3 (sentient)
Spear of Destiny..........................Sentient Spear +4
Heartreaver.................................Spear +5
???????????.................................Parryi ng Dagger +?
Flail of Pain.................................Blow to head=Bloodtheft
Despair.......................................Dagg er +3/+5 Backstab
Chalice of the Bloodlines...............transfer bloodpoints
Bloodbane...................................Sheaf arrow +3*

* Bloodtheft on a natural "20"

[Raesene Andu]

Where did you get information on these items from?

As best as I can remember the only items described in the birthright material are Lifeender, Bloodhunger and heartraver. The sword of the Anuirean Empire, Thunderclap and the spear of destiny are mentioned, but have no descriptions (not even how many pluses etc they have). I have no recollection of the other items at all.

[Arius Vistoon]

Orginally posted by Raesene Andu
Where did you get information on these items from?....

i agree with you

Dosiere is a very good Tighmaevril collector

Dosiere, Are you a scribe or a sage with lot of book about
this subject ? :P

i'm interested to know where you find these information !!!

[Magian]

Not that anyone would count it though if you count the Chalice the ring of ley is also made of tighmaevril.

[Dosiere]

Note that only one of the Rings of Ley is made of tighmeavril (allegedly). The RIng of Ley Use.

As for the information I have on the tighmeavril weapons, I am not 100% certain as to where it came from. I just noticed the thread and remembered that I had many notes scribbled in the margins of my BoS. If I remember correctly, it was taken from the birthright netbook and various other birthright sites that I once frequented.

I do not consider it to be rote material, and the actual abilities and functions of the items are purely up to the DM, as is always the case. As for my campaign, this is how I've recorded it, privatly.

As to whether or not this is true, that is for the players to discover, but I have accepted this as the standard Sage knowledge and speculation on the subject.

I have thought deeply of the tighmeavril weapons, and have written a number of my thoughts down in supplemental form.
This should perhaps appear on the Writer's Guild section, but I'll post it here.




Tighmaevril weapons, better known as "Bloodsilver", are made of a rare alloy created by a sidhelin smith between two and three thousand years ago. The elven smith, Ghoigwnnwd, was the only person who has ever discovered the secret of working the metal, and made about a dozen such items before disappearing from Cerilian history.

From the elven oral tradition, it is known that only a sidhelin could craft such weapons and that their manufacture required such vast periods of time, only an immortal race could hope to create them. It is understood that a mere dagger made of this metal could take as many as forty years to complete! The great sword, Lifender, now possessed by the Gorgon took no less than two centuries to craft!

Although Ghoigwnnwd disappeared, legend says that he traveled alone to a distant and reclusive place east of the Aelvinwode to craft his greatest weapon. If this rumor is true, and he has been working diligently for over two millennia, one can only begin to imagine the potential of such an item (and many try).

Others believe, and this is the accepted sidhelien story, that after Deismaar and the corruption of Azrai was lifted, Ghoigwnnwd discovered the darker uses of his prized creations (bloodtheft), and having a sudden change of heart, he killed himself with one of his own weapons rather than live out his own eternal existence seeing tighmaevril's sinister purpose put to use repeatedly through the ages.

Regardless of which story, if either, is true, many go forth seeking these powerful weapons, and the discussion of the legendary "13th Usurper" persist.

[dunsel]

One of the birthright packaged adventures had a bloodsilver spear of some kind in it. I remember it having rings of certain powers worked into it somehow. That's about all I can remember as it has been a while!

[Arjan]

Originally posted by dunsel@Jan 3 2005, 09:51 PM
One of the birthright packaged adventures had a bloodsilver spear of some kind in it. I remember it having rings of certain powers worked into it somehow. That's about all I can remember as it has been a while!
wowsures dunsel... you dug up an old post ;)

[irdeggman]

Originally posted by dunsel@Jan 3 2005, 03:51 PM
One of the birthright packaged adventures had a bloodsilver spear of some kind in it. I remember it having rings of certain powers worked into it somehow. That's about all I can remember as it has been a while!
It (the spear) was from Seeking Bloodsilver the adventure in Dungeon and was specifically not a tighmeavril weapon, but was indeed an extremely powerful magic item.

[RaspK_FOG]

I don't know if you noticed, but Coullannwn mentioned by Blitzmacher and the parrying dagger mentioned by Dosiere are a little similar... I any of you could find me any place to look for Coullannwn, I would be really glad!!

[Lee]

In a message dated 1/3/05 5:07:16 PM Eastern Standard Time,

brnetboard@BIRTHRIGHT.NET writes:



<< irdeggman wrote:

QUOTE (dunsel @ Jan 3 2005, 03:51 PM) One of the birthright packaged

adventures had a bloodsilver spear of some kind in it. I remember it having rings

of certain powers worked into it somehow. That`s about all I can remember as

it has been a while!

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It (the spear) was from Seeking Bloodsilver the adventure in Dungeon and

was specifically not a tighmeavril weapon, but was indeed an extremely powerful

magic item. >>



Brichlur, a +3 spear, with rings of Levitation, Protection+1, and Water

Breathing attached. It can also Raise Dead, Cure Serious Wounds, and Cure Disease.



As it happens, I have the magazine at hand, I`m tweaking that module for

my game soon, I`m going to make it a silver (but still not bloodsilver)

weapon, and tone down the magic a bit (like those last three powers). I`m also

tempted to change its weapon type to something more sidhe-like than a spear. Any

suggestions?



Lee.

[Osprey]

As it happens, I have the magazine at hand, I`m tweaking that module for
my game soon, I`m going to make it a silver (but still not bloodsilver)
weapon, and tone down the magic a bit (like those last three powers). I`m also
tempted to change its weapon type to something more sidhe-like than a spear. Any
suggestions?

How about a glaive? Keeps the hafted weapon concept, but replaces a spearhead witha curving, slashing head: glaives are very similar to naginata, something which is large and heavy but may still be wielded with great finesse and grace - by a master.

For those last 3 powers? Just drop Raise Dead...Cure Serious Wounds and Remove Disease really aren&#39;t all that powerful. Even upping the cure to Cure Critical wouldn&#39;t be ridiculous, as some compensation for losing the really big spell on there.

Osprey

[Angelbialaska]

Aren&#39;t there some pins in Talinie too? Pins would most likely function as darts in the hands of the right person.

[irdeggman]

Originally posted by Lee@Jan 4 2005, 10:30 AM
It (the spear) was from Seeking Bloodsilver the adventure in Dungeon and

was specifically not a tighmeavril weapon, but was indeed an extremely powerful

magic item. >>



Brichlur, a +3 spear, with rings of Levitation, Protection+1, and Water

Breathing attached. It can also Raise Dead, Cure Serious Wounds, and Cure Disease.



As it happens, I have the magazine at hand, I`m tweaking that module for

my game soon, I`m going to make it a silver (but still not bloodsilver)

weapon, and tone down the magic a bit (like those last three powers). I`m also

tempted to change its weapon type to something more sidhe-like than a spear. Any

suggestions?



Lee.


I don&#39;t know a spear seems to be pretty Sidhe like to me, other than a longsword that is.

Sidhe are pretty much forest creatures so a spear would be a very good weapon there. The standards are of course bows and swords, but I think you want (and it is more interesting IMO) to pick something with a little more flair.

I would disagree with the glaive being a Sidhe type of weapon - too much a plains oriented massive troop style weapon. Real good for Anuireans IMO.

As I recall this weapon also had dwarven artificers involved so being totally Sidhe is not necesarily something that I would focus on. Spears are pretty good dwarven and Sidhe weapons. I would look for a weapon type that fit both cultures to match its history more, IMO. Axes might fit, but not real Sidhe like (too much association with cutting down trees, IMO).

[Raesene Andu]

Originally posted by Angelbialaska@Jan 5 2005, 05:38 AM
Aren&#39;t there some pins in Talinie too? Pins would most likely function as darts in the hands of the right person.
Yes, these were mentioned on page 31 of the PS of Talinie.

Apparently a forester stumpled across an ancient elven amphitheater and found a necklace concealed in a partly submerged hole with 333 tighmaevril pins (about the size of a sewing needle) on it. The PS specifically states that they couldn&#39;t be used as a weapon

One thing to remember about tighmaevril weapons is that they were made before bloodlines even existed, so it is possible that the tighmaevril pins are just ornamental, perhaps created as a trial before the actual weapons were forged.

[Lee]

In a message dated 1/4/05 2:01:37 PM Eastern Standard Time,

brnetboard@BIRTHRIGHT.NET writes:



<< Osprey wrote:

How about a glaive? Keeps the hafted weapon concept, but replaces a

spearhead witha curving, slashing head: glaives are very similar to naginata,

something which is large and haevy but may still be wielded with great finesse and

grace - by a master.



For those last 3 powers? Just drop Raise Dead...Cure Serious Wounds and

Remove Disease really aren`t all that powerful. Even upping the cure to Cure

Critical wouldn`t be ridiculous, as some compensation for losing the really big

spell on there. >>



Yeah, I was thinking about the same for the powers. I will think about a

glaive, but I am now definitely leaning towards a reach weapon, if I am

making it both silver and +3-- that sounds like it would be needed for Big Undead

smiting, and those often have touch/draining attacks. Reach is good. And if

they are going to all the trouble to make it that powerful, I might as well

make it exotic or martial, so that any Tom, Dick, and Ithuriel couldn`t pick it

up.



Lee.

[Lee]

In a message dated 1/4/05 7:23:31 PM Eastern Standard Time,

brnetboard@BIRTHRIGHT.NET writes:



<< Apparently a forester stumpled across an ancient elven amphitheater and

found a necklace concealed in a partly submerged hole with 333 tighmaevril pins

(about the size of a sewing needle) on it. The PS specifically states that

they couldn`t be used as a weapon



One thing to remember about tighmaevril weapons is that they were made

before bloodlines even existed, so it is possible that the tighmaevril pins are

just ornamental, perhaps created as a trial before the actual weapons were

forged. >>



And perhaps someone could use these as samples to reverse-engineer the

process, and learn how to create more?



Lee.

[irdeggman]

Originally posted by Lee@Jan 5 2005, 09:50 AM

One thing to remember about tighmaevril weapons is that they were made

before bloodlines even existed, so it is possible that the tighmaevril pins are

just ornamental, perhaps created as a trial before the actual weapons were

forged. >>
Lee.


Why do you say that tighmaevril weapons existed before bloodlines?

IIRC the only reference to their creation was in the BRRB and there isn&#39;t anything there that gave the impression they were necessarily created before bloodlines, nothing to say they weren&#39;t either - more of that intentional vagueness in the 2nd material.

Also I don&#39;t think there is any real restriction on tighmaevril only being used to make weapons, only that weapons made of tighmaevril have the special ability of bloodtheft.

[Raesene Andu]

The reference in the BR rulebook says that they were created 2,000 years ago by the elven smith Ghoigwnnwd, which is around 500 years before the battle at Mount Desimaar, and 500 years before bloodlines existed.

It also says that the weapons were originally prised for their strength and beauty, and their bloodtheft power wasn&#39;t discovered until later when one was used to kill a scion.

[ConjurerDragon]

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> irdeggman wrote:

> QUOTE (Lee @ Jan 5 2005, 09:50 AM)

> One thing to remember about tighmaevril weapons is that they were made


>before bloodlines even existed, so it is possible that the tighmaevril pins are


>just ornamental, perhaps created as a trial before the actual weapons were


>forged. >>

>Lee.


>

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> Why do you say that tighmaevril weapons existed before bloodlines?

>

>IIRC the only reference to their creation was in the BRRB and there isn`t anything there that gave the impression they were necessarily created before bloodlines, nothing to say they weren`t either - more of that intentional vagueness in the 2nd material.

>

>Also I don`t think there is any real restriction on tighmaevril only being used to make weapons, only that weapons made of tighmaevril have the special ability of bloodtheft.

>

The 2E BRRB stated that "Tighmaevril is a rare alloy created by an elf

smith named Ghoigwnnwd OVER 2000 YEARS AGO.

As the "current" date of the Ruins of Empire (Rule book III) is given as

1524 HC that means that Tighmaevril was created before there were

bloodlines.

bye

Michael