Birthright- Elven investiture

[Joao Medeiros]

Has any one here noticed that elves in Birthright are at a severe
disadvantage when it comes to expanding their domains? Since elves do not
follow any gods, and are to proud to ask for human aid, they are denied
access to one of the essential actions: investiture. to counter this I
propose the following version of investiture for elves, based on their
connection to the land as opposed to man's connection to their gods.


Sidhelien investiture success:10+/15+

Type:domain, realm cost: special

Through the use of this action elves are able to perform the action
normally limited to a priest. This action requires total concentration on
the part of the elf, who must remain undisturbed and in a natural
surrounding for the length of it. During this period the elf does not eat or
rest, only concentrating on breaking the link between the previous regent
and the land, and then reforging it to himself.
This ritual has to parts to it: first, the previous regent's link to
his holding must be broken and then a new link must be forged to the elf.
The cost to break the link is 2 RP times the level of the holding(s) to be
aquired. the cost to forge it is RP equal to the level of the holding(s).
Due to the chaotic nature of Mebhaighl, which is used by even not
wizard elves in this action, success in the first part does not guarantee
success in the second. The chance to succeed for the first part is 10, while
for the second it is 15.
If the elf fails in the second part of the ritual then he failed in
drawing the link to himself. The target holdings do not become uncontrolled.
Instead the holdings "link" themselves to a randomly determined domain in
the province, theoreticaly "bouncing around" until it hits something to
which it sticks.
Like normal investiture, only one contested province or holding can
be invested if the owner is unwilling. If the previous owner is willing
however, he gas only to give his consent to the elf, in person, and need not
attend the entire ritual. He must be there if he will invest his bloodline
or become a vassal.
In the action round after the elf performed this action he can do
nothing but rest, thus he can only perform free actions.

I hope that this is useful, I'd like some feedback on it before I
try it out in my campaign.

-Joao Medeiros
lcgm@elogica.com.br

[Joao Medeiros]

>Yes, my players and I (DM) had this very same question, thinking it was
>proposterous for elves to be blooded ad regents. However, the computer BR
>game gave use huge insight and killer ideas as solutions to this problem.
>There is an artifact (could be just major magic items for al elf kingdoms)
>that allows investiture WITHOUT a priest.The computer BR calls t the
>Regalia of the Empire. We have substituted this method for priests.
>Ideas/comments?
>Bondman

I don't like this idea too much. It still leaves the elves at a
disadvantage. There would only be a limit to the number of these magical
items available, and it wouldn't grow with time. At least with humans the
preists who die are replaced by their heirs, but if a magical item is lost
or destroyed then there is no way to replace it. Also, it is possible that
the item not benefit the elves, it could be stolen by humans.
-Joao Medeiros
lcgm@elogica.com.br

[Harri Kemppainen]

On Fri, 8 Aug 1997, Brandon Quina wrote:

> > for al elf kingdoms) that allows investiture WITHOUT a priest.The
> > computer BR calls t the Regalia of the Empire. We have substituted
> > this method for priests. Ideas/comments?
>
> I noticed to, and I decided that certain elven true wizards have access
> to a certain spell called 'Investiture' due to their connectiont to the
> land.. I think this is fair with regards to elves, as they are heavily
> nature based..

I didn't even notice this problem (I did't allow any elven PCs in my
campaigne). Anyway It should be as easy for elves to investiture as it is
for humans, so giving true wizards a (Realm?) spell called Investiture
sounds a fair solution to me.

- ---
cshake@kastanja.uta.fi

[Bond007]

- ----------
> From: Joao Medeiros
> To: birthright@MPGN.COM
> Subject: [BIRTHRIGHT] - Birthright- Elven investiture
>
> Has any one here noticed that elves in Birthright are at a severe
> disadvantage when it comes to expanding their domains? Since elves do
not
> follow any gods, and are to proud to ask for human aid, they are denied
> access to one of the essential actions: investiture. to counter this I
> propose the following version of investiture for elves, based on their
> connection to the land as opposed to man's connection to their gods.
>
>
Yes, my players and I (DM) had this very same question, thinking it was
proposterous for elves to be blooded ad regents. However, the computer BR
game gave use huge insight and killer ideas as solutions to this problem.
There is an artifact (could be just major magic items for al elf kingdoms)
that allows investiture WITHOUT a priest.The computer BR calls t the
Regalia of the Empire. We have substituted this method for priests.
Ideas/comments?
Bondman

[Mutami@aol.co]

Sounds good to me.

[Frederic Lavallee]

Joao Medeiros wrote:
>
> Has any one here noticed that elves in Birthright are at a severe
> disadvantage when it comes to expanding their domains? Since elves do not
> follow any gods, and are to proud to ask for human aid, they are denied
> access to one of the essential actions: investiture. to counter this I
> propose the following version of investiture for elves, based on their
> connection to the land as opposed to man's connection to their gods.
>
> Sidhelien investiture success:10+/15+
>
> Type:domain, realm cost: special
>
> Through the use of this action elves are able to perform the action
> normally limited to a priest. This action requires total concentration on
> the part of the elf, who must remain undisturbed and in a natural
> surrounding for the length of it. During this period the elf does not eat or
> rest, only concentrating on breaking the link between the previous regent
> and the land, and then reforging it to himself.
> This ritual has to parts to it: first, the previous regent's link to
> his holding must be broken and then a new link must be forged to the elf.
> The cost to break the link is 2 RP times the level of the holding(s) to be
> aquired. the cost to forge it is RP equal to the level of the holding(s).
> Due to the chaotic nature of Mebhaighl, which is used by even not
> wizard elves in this action, success in the first part does not guarantee
> success in the second. The chance to succeed for the first part is 10, while
> for the second it is 15.
> If the elf fails in the second part of the ritual then he failed in
> drawing the link to himself. The target holdings do not become uncontrolled.
> Instead the holdings "link" themselves to a randomly determined domain in
> the province, theoreticaly "bouncing around" until it hits something to
> which it sticks.
> Like normal investiture, only one contested province or holding can
> be invested if the owner is unwilling. If the previous owner is willing
> however, he gas only to give his consent to the elf, in person, and need not
> attend the entire ritual. He must be there if he will invest his bloodline
> or become a vassal.
> In the action round after the elf performed this action he can do
> nothing but rest, thus he can only perform free actions.
>
> I hope that this is useful, I'd like some feedback on it before I
> try it out in my campaign.
>
> -Joao Medeiros
> lcgm@elogica.com.br
>
Very good idea.
Fred

[Brandon Quina]

> Yes, my players and I (DM) had this very same question, thinking it
> was proposterous for elves to be blooded ad regents. However, the
> computer BR game gave use huge insight and killer ideas as solutions
> to this problem. There is an artifact (could be just major magic items
> for al elf kingdoms) that allows investiture WITHOUT a priest.The
> computer BR calls t the Regalia of the Empire. We have substituted
> this method for priests. Ideas/comments?

I noticed to, and I decided that certain elven true wizards have access
to a certain spell called 'Investiture' due to their connectiont to the
land.. I think this is fair with regards to elves, as they are heavily
nature based..

- --
Brandon Quina DM of a Birthright PBEM
lore@tmgbbs.com http://www.tmgbbs.com/lore/index.htm

[Frederic Lavallee]

Bond007 wrote:
>
> ----------
> > From: Joao Medeiros
> > To: birthright@MPGN.COM
> > Subject: [BIRTHRIGHT] - Birthright- Elven investiture
> >
> > Has any one here noticed that elves in Birthright are at a severe
> > disadvantage when it comes to expanding their domains? Since elves do
> not
> > follow any gods, and are to proud to ask for human aid, they are denied
> > access to one of the essential actions: investiture. to counter this I
> > propose the following version of investiture for elves, based on their
> > connection to the land as opposed to man's connection to their gods.
> >
> >
> Yes, my players and I (DM) had this very same question, thinking it was
> proposterous for elves to be blooded ad regents. However, the computer BR
> game gave use huge insight and killer ideas as solutions to this problem.
> There is an artifact (could be just major magic items for al elf kingdoms)
> that allows investiture WITHOUT a priest.The computer BR calls t the
> Regalia of the Empire. We have substituted this method for priests.
> Ideas/comments?
> Bondman
>
How does it works?
FRED

[ALCATRAZZ2@aol.co]

In a message dated 97-08-09 03:31:36 EDT, you write:

> Subject: [BIRTHRIGHT] - Birthright- Elven investiture
> >
> > Has any one here noticed that elves in Birthright are at a
severe
> > disadvantage when it comes to expanding their domains? Since elves do
> not
> > follow any gods, and are to proud to ask for human aid, they are denied
> > access to one of the essential actions: investiture. to counter this I
> > propose the following version of investiture for elves, based on their
> > connection to the land as opposed to man's connection to their gods.
> >
> >
> Yes, my players and I (DM) had this very same question, thinking it was
> proposterous for elves to be blooded ad regents. However, the computer BR
> game gave use huge insight and killer ideas as solutions to this problem.
> There is an artifact (could be just major magic items for al elf kingdoms)
> that allows investiture WITHOUT a priest.The computer BR calls t the
> Regalia of the Empire. We have substituted this method for priests.
> Ideas/comments?
> Bondman
>
How does it works?
FRED >>
My DM allows an elf to go through a negotiation proccess for one month to
gain same as investiture.