Crossovers

[Bearcat]

>Greetings! Due to the fact that many of the campaigns I have been in have a
>high quantity of people jumping from plane to plane, and noticing the rules
>for wizards on Aebrynnis, I wondered what would happen to a wizard from,=
say
>Faer=FBn, if he were to accidentally end up on Cerilia. Would he still be=
able
>to use his spells? Or, would he then have to get a bloodline to do so?
>

=09

[Bearcat]

>Still in Cerilia, if you don't have a BL, you can't tap into the unique
>magical force that flows through this world. Regardless of how proficient
>they are with magic they just won't be able to manipulate the power of this
>world. They may be able to sense it, but thats about it. And of course you
>*must* be Blooded and a Regent in order to use Realm Magic, so I doubt an
>existing Regent Mage would "sense" their presence. You could allow a
>visiting non-Blooded Mage to use Mebhaighl, but then you open the door to
>*any* non-Blooded person to just "learn" how to use True Magic from them.
>And that would just kill the uniqueness of BR's magic system. No, quite
>plainly any non-Blooded Mage who finds themselves on Cerilia would suddenly
>find most of their abilities denied them. And this could include the way home.

I think that other campaign worlds also have Mebhaighl, but there
the magic is so abundant (ahem, FR anyone?) that the native wizards take it
for granted.
Perhaps Cerilia was also this way (the ley lines that could be used
by all, human wizards before the gods went BOOM) but the cataclysm at
Deismaar changed all that.

-

[Wrb41977@aol.co]

Greetings! Due to the fact that many of the campaigns I have been in have=
a
high quantity of people jumping from plane to plane, and noticing the rul=
es
for wizards on Aebrynnis, I wondered what would happen to a wizard from, =
say
Faer=FBn, if he were to accidentally end up on Cerilia. Would he still be=
able
to use his spells? Or, would he then have to get a bloodline to do so?

Thanx in advance,
William Bolitho

[Darkstar]

Wrb41977@aol.com wrote:
>=20
> Greetings! Due to the fact that many of the campaigns I have been in ha=
ve a
> high quantity of people jumping from plane to plane, and noticing the r=
ules
> for wizards on Aebrynnis, I wondered what would happen to a wizard from=
, say
> Faer=FBn, if he were to accidentally end up on Cerilia. Would he still =
be able
> to use his spells? Or, would he then have to get a bloodline to do so?

I would say no. The spells would not work, although any illusion or
divination spells that the wizard knew would be ok.=20
The same would apply to anyone who arrived on the world by spelljammer.
This makes it an good world to visit (for the DM) if your spelljamming
mages are becoming too powerful.

- --=20
Ian Hoskins

e-Mail: hoss@box.net.au
ICQ: 2938300
Home Page: http://www.box.net.au/~hoss/birth.html

From the Darkness we came,
and to the Darkness we will return.

[Glenn Robb]

> I would say no. The spells would not work, although any illusion or
> divination spells that the wizard knew would be ok.
> The same would apply to anyone who arrived on the world by spelljammer.
> This makes it an good world to visit (for the DM) if your spelljamming
> mages are becoming too powerful.
>

Sorry guy. But I would rule differently. The visiting Wizards already k=
now how
to use the Essence that flows around each campaign world. But I would al=
so rule
that the Wizard Regent of where they fell would find out that someone els=
e was
using True Magic besides himself, and he would do this real quick. Maybe=
an
interesting contest would strike out with the Wizard Regent trying to get=
rid of
the offending wizard who probably thinks that the world he'd just visited=
is just
like any other.

Case in point, what happens if a wild mage came to Cerillia and still had=
his
powers?

=97 Elton Robb
"Your Generously Liberal GM.
I break all the rules."

[Sepsis]

At 07:40 AM 10/8/97 -0600, Elton Robb(GLENNROBB@prodigy.net)wrote:
>
>Sorry guy. But I would rule differently. The visiting Wizards already
know how
>to use the Essence that flows around each campaign world.
>

>

Still in Cerilia, if you don't have a BL, you can't tap into the unique
magical force that flows through this world. Regardless of how proficient
they are with magic they just won't be able to manipulate the power of this
world. They may be able to sense it, but thats about it. And of course you
*must* be Blooded and a Regent in order to use Realm Magic, so I doubt an
existing Regent Mage would "sense" their presence. You could allow a
visiting non-Blooded Mage to use Mebhaighl, but then you open the door to
*any* non-Blooded person to just "learn" how to use True Magic from them.
And that would just kill the uniqueness of BR's magic system. No, quite
plainly any non-Blooded Mage who finds themselves on Cerilia would suddenly
find most of their abilities denied them. And this could include the way home.


Sepsis, richt@metrolink.net (ICQ:3777956)

"War is a matter of vital importance to the State;
the province of life or death;
the road to survival or ruin.
It is mandatory that it be thoroughly studied."
-Sun Tzu,(The Art of War)-

BR Netbook: http://webpages.metrolink.net/~veleda/birth.html

[lyndon@pobox.com (Lyndon]

On the other hand, it is a large assumption that the essence that flow
around each campaign world flows the same. Staying just with TSR
products, Masque of the Red Death, various planes with their spell
keys, etc. are an example. I'd be quite willing to entertain the
idea that Things Are Different here (probably reading Wizard of
Earthsea at an impresionable age "Rule changes with the reaches ..."

Lyndon

On Wed, 08 Oct 1997 07:40:25 -0600, you wrote:

>> I would say no. The spells would not work, although any illusion or
>> divination spells that the wizard knew would be ok.
>>
>
>Sorry guy. But I would rule differently. The visiting Wizards already =
know how
>to use the Essence that flows around each campaign world. But I would =
also rule
>that the Wizard Regent of where they fell would find out that someone =
else was
>using True Magic besides himself, and he would do this real quick. =20

>=97 Elton Robb
>"Your Generously Liberal GM.
>I break all the rules."
>
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[Darkstar]

Glenn Robb wrote:

> Sorry guy. But I would rule differently. The visiting Wizards already know how
> to use the Essence that flows around each campaign world. But I would also rule
> that the Wizard Regent of where they fell would find out that someone else was
> using True Magic besides himself, and he would do this real quick. Maybe an
> interesting contest would strike out with the Wizard Regent trying to get rid of
> the offending wizard who probably thinks that the world he'd just visited is just
> like any other.

The Birthright world is not like any of the other campaign worlds
though. On those worlds you do not need a bloodline decended from a God
or Goddess to cast True Magic so anyone arriving on Cerilia without this
Bloodline will not be able to cast true magic. Also a standard Ad&d mage
would get the power for his magic from other planes, while in Birthright
the magic comes from the land, so a mage would require that link with
the land (ie a bloodline) to cast True Magic.

If unblooded mages from other worlds can cast True Magic then why can
those on Cerilia not. That doesn't make any sense so it should be fairly
easy to see that unblooded mages coming from other worlds would not be
able to cast True Magic...

- --
Ian Hoskins

e-Mail: hoss@box.net.au
ICQ: 2938300
Home Page: http://www.box.net.au/~hoss/birth.html

From the Darkness we came,
and to the Darkness we will return.

[Paul Jeffery Eves]

>
> Greetings all,
>
>
>
> about a mage from another world arriving in Cerilia via a portal, though
>
> it is very unlikely, what about a defiler from athas?
>
> the defiler would be gathering the power he needs from the very land
>
> itself, possibly even gaining a tainted bloodline after using a lot of
>
> energy (Azrai of course) the regent in which ever lands he is in, would
>
> probable feel the raping of his land by the intruder...the evil nature
>
> of the defiler's magic might even begin to turn him into a
>
> awnshelghhlien. I would think only one such defiler would ever find
>
> himself on Cerelia, but it could be an interesting adventure. what do ya
>
> think?
>
> Calis here,
Sounds like a good idea to me. I DM a really warped campaign in
which most of the different worlds put out by TSR are all on the same
planet. (yes I realize the planet would be like the size of jupiter,
gravity would be right, etc..... But all that aside) And I allowed the
party to jump over to cerilia with out too much trouble. The cleric had
to start a new temple to his god in Cerilia before he had access to his
full compliment of spells, but sure it worked OK. I found the toughest
factor my human mage, which is not supposed to be able to cast anything
but low level Illusionist spells. So that may hamper a Defiler a little.
But I chose to allow for the opportunity for unblooded people to become
blooded. It is a risky venture I know, as then the peasants may go blood
killin happy, but I figured I got to do something or My 10th level
Involker just wouldn't be happy.

This from the man who lent Mirt some extra cash,
Calis
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[Shana Rosenfeld]

When dealing with cross-overs from other campaigns, don't forget that
elves do not have to be blooded to be able to cast true magic.

I agree that most wizards would find most of their spells useless.

However, I would rule that Elminster and the Chosen of Mystra count as
blooded for spell-casting purposes, because they have within them the
power of the deity. Since the power belongs to the Goddess, and cannot be
passed on to descendents, and Mystra can withdraw it at any time, I would
also say that they are immune to bloodtheft.

It might be better to say that they have spellcasting abilities as if they
were of elven blood.

Naturally, no non-regents can cast realm spells.

Shana L. Rosenfeld shana@westnet.com

[Sepsis]

At 01:50 PM 10/9/97 -0400, John Gonzalez(wyntergryn@geocities.com)wrote:
>
>about a mage from another world arriving in Cerilia via a portal, though
>it is very unlikely, what about a defiler from athas?
>the defiler would be gathering the power he needs from the very land
>itself, possibly even gaining a tainted bloodline after using a lot of
>energy (Azrai of course) the regent in which ever lands he is in, would
>probable feel the raping of his land by the intruder...the evil nature
>of the defiler's magic might even begin to turn him into a
>awnshelghhlien. I would think only one such defiler would ever find
>himself on Cerelia, but it could be an interesting adventure. what do ya
>think?
>

Now this sounds like a possibility, but I would toss in a chance for a Wild
Surge every time he/she casts a spell. This would represent the resistance
of the Mebhaighl to a non-Blooded Mage. But definatly Regents would notice
the destruction of the land that they cause, and the nature of Defiling
magic would prevent them from casting Realm Spells(it would disrupt the
Source). But they might be able to give their spells a boost by "draining"
a Source, definatly causing a Wild Surge. I also think they would slowly
transform into an Awnsheghlien. The first time he/she casts a spell they
should get a Tainted(BS:1) Azrai BL, with the Bloodform Ability. After that
everytime he/she casts a spell they would transform(and risk the Wild
Surge), but would not gain any more BS. Of course you might allow the
Blooded Defiler to commit Bloodtheft, but I'm not to sure of that. I don't
think I would allow it. This could actually be a very interesting
NPC...Hmmm, my wife DMs Dark Sun maybe I'll take a look at her books. ;)


Sepsis, richt@metrolink.net (ICQ:3777956)

"War is a matter of vital importance to the State;
the province of life or death;
the road to survival or ruin.
It is mandatory that it be thoroughly studied."
-Sun Tzu,(The Art of War)-

BR Netbook: http://webpages.metrolink.net/~veleda/birth.html

[Glenn Robb]

Now Defilers and Preservers are a possibility! If the Magic comes from
Birthright's Land, then a mage from my world should be able to cast spell=
s
there sufficiently (In my World, there's something called Earthblood, whi=
ch is
the source of the Essence . . .). But a Defiler would be able to do that.

In DS, a Defiler will turn into a Dragon, eventually. A preserver, howev=
er,
will turn into an Archon (an angelic creature). It stands to reason that=
a
Defiler will turn into an awnshelghhlien, since he defiles the land, turn=
ing it
into desert country. But what happens to a preserver?

As for a mage that stumbles into BR from my world, he should be able to c=
ast
spells sufficiently since the power he receives flows around, and from th=
e
land. Now an Archmage from my world would be able to manipulate the Magi=
c of
Birthright almost like a Blooded Regent Wizard. To bad they don't exist.

=97 Elton Robb
"Your Generously Liberal GM.
I break all the rules."

Sepsis wrote:

> At 01:50 PM 10/9/97 -0400, John Gonzalez(wyntergryn@geocities.com)wrote=
:
> >
> >about a mage from another world arriving in Cerilia via a portal, thou=
gh
> >it is very unlikely, what about a defiler from athas?
> >the defiler would be gathering the power he needs from the very land
> >itself, possibly even gaining a tainted bloodline after using a lot of
> >energy (Azrai of course) the regent in which ever lands he is in, woul=
d
> >probable feel the raping of his land by the intruder...the evil nature
> >of the defiler's magic might even begin to turn him into a
> >awnshelghhlien. I would think only one such defiler would ever find
> >himself on Cerelia, but it could be an interesting adventure. what do =
ya
> >think?
> >
>
> Now this sounds like a possibility, but I would toss in a chance for a =
Wild
> Surge every time he/she casts a spell. This would represent the resista=
nce
> of the Mebhaighl to a non-Blooded Mage. But definatly Regents would not=
ice
> the destruction of the land that they cause, and the nature of Defiling
> magic would prevent them from casting Realm Spells(it would disrupt the
> Source). But they might be able to give their spells a boost by "draini=
ng"
> a Source, definatly causing a Wild Surge. I also think they would slowl=
y
> transform into an Awnsheghlien. The first time he/she casts a spell the=
y
> should get a Tainted(BS:1) Azrai BL, with the Bloodform Ability. After =
that
> everytime he/she casts a spell they would transform(and risk the Wild
> Surge), but would not gain any more BS. Of course you might allow the
> Blooded Defiler to commit Bloodtheft, but I'm not to sure of that. I do=
n't
> think I would allow it. This could actually be a very interesting
> NPC...Hmmm, my wife DMs Dark Sun maybe I'll take a look at her books. ;=
)
>
> Sepsis, richt@metrolink.net (ICQ:3777956)
>
> "War is a matter of vital importance to the State;
> the province of life or death;
> the road to survival or ruin.
> It is mandatory that it be thoroughly studied."
> -Sun Tzu,(The Art of War)-
>
> BR Netbook: http://webpages.metrolink.net/~veleda/birth.html
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