morgramen
09-11-1998, 05:21 AM
Craig Greeson wrote:
> This, of course, wouldn't be my first choice. The Shadow World would
> ideally be presented as a Birthright-only supplement. But if it's a choice
> between letting Ravenloft players in on the horrors of the Shadow World or
> not getting the information at all, I'd gladly share some of the darkness
> with them.
>
Well said Craig. The Ravenloft crossover idea would not be among my list of
top 5 'love to see' either, but if it will draw more folks into the all time
best Campaign World in published history, I too will make room on the bench.
I must rant a moment here....
I think the 'Core Rules' transformation and the 'Kings' optional rules is a
grand idea. Everyone wins. We BR die hards get our new (and hopefully
improved) rules, TSR gets to make money off a product that would otherwise take
up shelf (or disk??) space, and the Ravenloft/FR folks unwittingly get drawn
into the Birthright world.....muhhhHHAHAHAHAH! Which completes the circle, and
Birthright is born again! (At least, in theory).
I must confess, Cerilia is the first TSR product that I have purchased and used
as is. I have bought allot of TSR material in my day, but Cerilia is the FIRST
boxed campaign setting that I have used. Indeed, my own 5 years worth of home
grown world material has all but been shelved! I play in Cerilia now... If TSR
can get an old hack like me to put away his pencil crayons and hang a published
map on my wall, then there must be something worth keeping in Birthright.
I think TSR made the mistake of their lives by shelving BR, and sooner or later,
they will figure it out.
How was the sales criteria formulatted/forcasted? If TSR is basing the BR sales
(and the time frame involved) by comparing it to the FR, then they deserve a
humbling whack with one of James' mackerels IMHO.
The times are different now. When FR first came out, AD&D was coming out of a
long time lag. Greyhawk was old hat, and very little of what is now common
practice in RPG game worlds had ever been done yet. So of course, once FR hit
the shelves, all the players at that time thought 'WOW! What a great idea!
There's life outside the dungeon!", and immediately went shopping.
Think about it. How many campaign worlds has TSR published in the last 5
years? Lots. How many of them are still around? Not many. The only ones to
survive are the 'different" & 'unique' ones, just like FR was all those years
ago.
Anyway, that's the way I see it.
Keith
PS.
I meant to say "Uther" btw.... :)
Thanks for pointing out my error folks.
- --
"I am your humble knight, and I swear allegiance to the courage and power in
your veins.
So strong it is, it's source must be Uther Pendragon."
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http://www.angelfire.com/ak/draftmine/
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http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dungeon/2239/index.htm
> This, of course, wouldn't be my first choice. The Shadow World would
> ideally be presented as a Birthright-only supplement. But if it's a choice
> between letting Ravenloft players in on the horrors of the Shadow World or
> not getting the information at all, I'd gladly share some of the darkness
> with them.
>
Well said Craig. The Ravenloft crossover idea would not be among my list of
top 5 'love to see' either, but if it will draw more folks into the all time
best Campaign World in published history, I too will make room on the bench.
I must rant a moment here....
I think the 'Core Rules' transformation and the 'Kings' optional rules is a
grand idea. Everyone wins. We BR die hards get our new (and hopefully
improved) rules, TSR gets to make money off a product that would otherwise take
up shelf (or disk??) space, and the Ravenloft/FR folks unwittingly get drawn
into the Birthright world.....muhhhHHAHAHAHAH! Which completes the circle, and
Birthright is born again! (At least, in theory).
I must confess, Cerilia is the first TSR product that I have purchased and used
as is. I have bought allot of TSR material in my day, but Cerilia is the FIRST
boxed campaign setting that I have used. Indeed, my own 5 years worth of home
grown world material has all but been shelved! I play in Cerilia now... If TSR
can get an old hack like me to put away his pencil crayons and hang a published
map on my wall, then there must be something worth keeping in Birthright.
I think TSR made the mistake of their lives by shelving BR, and sooner or later,
they will figure it out.
How was the sales criteria formulatted/forcasted? If TSR is basing the BR sales
(and the time frame involved) by comparing it to the FR, then they deserve a
humbling whack with one of James' mackerels IMHO.
The times are different now. When FR first came out, AD&D was coming out of a
long time lag. Greyhawk was old hat, and very little of what is now common
practice in RPG game worlds had ever been done yet. So of course, once FR hit
the shelves, all the players at that time thought 'WOW! What a great idea!
There's life outside the dungeon!", and immediately went shopping.
Think about it. How many campaign worlds has TSR published in the last 5
years? Lots. How many of them are still around? Not many. The only ones to
survive are the 'different" & 'unique' ones, just like FR was all those years
ago.
Anyway, that's the way I see it.
Keith
PS.
I meant to say "Uther" btw.... :)
Thanks for pointing out my error folks.
- --
"I am your humble knight, and I swear allegiance to the courage and power in
your veins.
So strong it is, it's source must be Uther Pendragon."
The Draftmine (Home of the Brass Boar & other Oddities.)
http://www.angelfire.com/ak/draftmine/
Brenna's Blood Secret PbeM (A Haven's of the Great Pay PBeM.)
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dungeon/2239/index.htm