Chap 4 for discussion

[irdeggman]

Here is the thread for discussing Chap 4, gods and religion.

Here is the Word version of the brcs-playtest.

[Raesene Andu]

I'll take the lack of comments on this chapter to mean that everyone is happy with it?

I do have one comment, one I've raised previously, and that is the section on the Cerilian Calander that seems really out of place in the chapter on religion IMO. Of course, there is no really good place to fit it into the BRCS, which is why it ended up in the god's chapter.

[Osprey]

Hmmm, I think the Clerical domains need a once-over (old nagging feeling that I can't place atm), I'm just focused on Chapter 5 right now...

But yeah, for the most part Ch 5 is fine since most of it, being the Deities' descriptions are pretty direct translations from 2e.

[tcharazazel]

I think that nagging maybe from those others posting about adding some domains to the dwarven god.

[Athos69]

...which I retract in the light of peoples' comments and some 'deep' thinking on the subject... ;)

Seriously, the only change I can thing of is deleting the info on teh OIT, IHH and HA. Since those organizations are going to be detailled in the Atlas, do we need to cover them here in the BRCS?

[ConjurerDragon]

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> Raesene Andu wrote:

> I`ll take the lack of comments on this chapter to mean that everyone is happy with it?I do have one comment, one I`ve raised previously, and that is the section on the Cerilian Calander that seems really out of place in the chapter on religion IMO. Of course, there is no really good place to fit it into the BRCS, which is why it ended up in the god`s chapter.

>

The Calendar fits perfectly into religion. Not only because a pope

worked on our own calendar, but because an important part of the life in

old times would be the church celebrations and holy days. Days of

fasting or whatever rites are required.

bye

Michael

[Raesene Andu]

If it is going to stay then it should be moved towards the end of the chapter (perhaps just before the cosmology section.) It does not fit where it currently is, it looks really out of place to me, as you go from a talking about patron deities etc into the calander, and then back onto deities again.

[Raesene Andu]

Hmmm...

If it was up to me I'd rip this entire chapter out of the BRCS and transplant it into the Atlas of Cerilia, and then move the Prestige Classes from the Atlas into the Rulebook, making them chapter 3, and make the chapter on magic, chapter 4. It would work better that way around, keeping all the rules-specific material in the Rulebook and all the setting-specific in the Atlas.

[tcharazazel]

That is logical.

[Osprey]

If it was up to me I'd rip this entire chapter out of the BRCS and transplant it into the Atlas of Cerilia, and then move the Prestige Classes from the Atlas into the Rulebook, making them chapter 3, and make the chapter on magic, chapter 4. It would work better that way around, keeping all the rules-specific material in the Rulebook and all the setting-specific in the Atlas.

Except that the writeups for the deities are pretty core to any player running a Cleric PC. It is inevitable that the most core/basic setting material should be included in the Rulebook, because players need that info to develop anything more than a set of statistics. Trying to place ALL setting material only in the atlas is an overly-artificial seperation IMO. I think the rulebook should have enough setting material so that any player can make a decently fleshed-out PC. The Atlas, otoh, should be more of a DM's reference guide to filling the world with NPC's, organizations, realms, and monsters. I'd much sooner transplant the Bestiary (Ch 9?) from the BRCS to the atlas than I would the section on Religion.

[Raesene Andu]

I would have thought that the only sections of chapter 4 that were important for character creation were tables 4-1 to 4-3 and table 4-7, the rest is setting material. Oh and I did consider moving chapter 9 as well, specifically the first couple of pages.

Of course, I didn't mean it needed to be done right away as the Atlas isn't out yet, but when it is, and both books are available to player's and DMs alike, there is no reason why it can't be done. Either that or have a double up of material in places.

[Raesene Andu]

I would have thought that the only sections of chapter 4 that were important for character creation were tables 4-1 to 4-3 and table 4-7, the rest is setting material. Oh and I did consider moving chapter 9 as well, specifically the first couple of pages.

Of course, I didn't mean it needed to be done right away as the Atlas isn't out yet, but when it is, and both books are available to player's and DMs alike, there is no reason why it can't be done. Either that or have a double up of material in places.

[RaspK_FOG]

Actually, I think that information on deities should be given as a separate subsection of Chapter 4 or Chapter 2, including domains right before the Cleric Spell List in Chapter 4, and adding a deity entry in the cleric section, just like how it's done in the PHB; the subsection would include minimal information on deities, again as done in the PHB.

Chapter 9 should move to the Atlas.

[Raesene Andu]

Originally posted by RaspK_FOG@Aug 30 2004, 09:42 AM
Actually, I think that information on deities should be given as a separate subsection of Chapter 4 or Chapter 2, including domains right before the Cleric Spell List in Chapter 4, and adding a deity entry in the cleric section, just like how it's done in the PHB; the subsection would include minimal information on deities, again as done in the PHB.
This is how it is done in most of the Campaign Settings I've bought (All right, I'll own up, I've only bought FR and Eberron, but both have it this way). You include basic character diety selection information in the class section (table 4-7 from chapter 4) and then chuck the rest in a seperate chapter with the setting material, as most players don't need to refer to it much.

Chapter 9 should probably also go in the Atlas, but the prestige class section from the Atlas should also be moved into the Rulebook as that is needed for character creation (if only to allow new players to make choices so they can take those prestige classes later on).

Rulebook = Rules for character creation and running a BR campaign.
Atlas = The setting.

Obvious they would be some debate about what is what, but IMO background information on the gods is setting, cosmology is setting, and the calander is setting. The rest of chapter 4 (which isn't much, just those tables I mentioned) is rules and character creation material.

As we are talking about a revision of the entire BRCS here, I have no problem at all carving up that chapter, or even inserting an new chapter on prestige classes. There is also no reason why we can't trim some sections of the rules and expand others if it makes the BRCS a better product in the end.

[RaspK_FOG]

Also, put up the whole lot of information on deities on the Atlas (forgot to mention it on my previous post).