Tighmaevril

[Arjan Duijs]

hello,
i have a question about when a scion is killed by a weapon made of
tighmaevril.
What happens when a unblooded character uses the weapon on a scion?

Because in the rulebook it says (p31): "the killer adds one-half the
victims bloodline to his own bloodline.........". so IMO a unblooded
character gets also half of the bloodline strength when he kills a scion
with that weapon? because a unblooded character has a bloodline strenth
of 0.

but then, because the character was unblooded, and let say he "gained"
the bloodline strength, does he (if its the first scion he kills)
becomes a descendant of the bloodline of his victim?
can someone help me here?

cheers Arjan

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[Olesens]

Arjan Duijs wrote:

> hello,
> i have a question about when a scion is killed by a weapon made of
> tighmaevril.
> What happens when a unblooded character uses the weapon on a scion?
>
> Because in the rulebook it says (p31): "the killer adds one-half the
> victims bloodline to his own bloodline.........". so IMO a unblooded
> character gets also half of the bloodline strength when he kills a scion
> with that weapon? because a unblooded character has a bloodline strenth
> of 0.
>
> but then, because the character was unblooded, and let say he "gained"
> the bloodline strength, does he (if its the first scion he kills)
> becomes a descendant of the bloodline of his victim?
> can someone help me here?

Well according to the way other bloodthefts work, a commener who kills a scion
with a thighmaevril (through the heart) does not become a scion. The idea that
an unblooded commener has a bloodline strength of 0 was a previously debated
topic. IIRC, the general result of that disucssion was that a scion's BL
strength could fall to 0 and therefor having a strength of 0 is diffrent from
having no bloodline. This is what I get from the books, kinda a technical
response.

But due to the say...wonderous nature of tighmaevril, I would be open to the
possiblity of a commener becoming a scion with a tighmaevril weapon. IMO, a
commener who kills a scion with a tighmaevril weapon would still sever the tie
between land and king (heir gains no RP and domain uncontrolled). If
bloodtheft were to occur, the killer should only gain maybe 1/8 of the slain
scion's bloodline strength and the scion's derivination. I think this would be
an issue of the feel of a campaign, I wouldn't allow it in my campaign but it
is plausable.

While we're on the topic, does anyone have any thoughts on what tighmaevril is
or what is required to work with it? The requirements must be very stringent,
as only one elf has discovered its use. I think it would require a
weaponsmithing check of 30+ as well as an 18 in Intelligence and Strength (Int
for Weaponsmithing, Str for blacksmithing). When making tighmaevril weapons,
the smith would make a proficency check with a -20 penalty. This is of course
assuming that the smith figured out what bloodsilver is. IMO, it is not a pure
metal but an alloy of several diffrent minerals, adamite and iron from Diesmaar
included. Not to mention many other rare substances. These must likely be
mixed together at extremely high temperatures in a very delicate proscess.
This is my take on it anyway. I'd like to hear some other ideas.

- -Andrew

[Arjan Duijs]

Andrew wrote:
>Well according to the way other bloodthefts work, a commener who kills
a scion
>with a thighmaevril (through the heart) does not become a scion. The
idea that
>an unblooded commener has a bloodline strength of 0 was a previously
debated
>topic. IIRC, the general result of that disucssion was that a scion's
BL
>strength could fall to 0 and therefor having a strength of 0 is
diffrent from
>having no bloodline. This is what I get from the books, kinda a
technical
>response.
>
>But due to the say...wonderous nature of tighmaevril, I would be open
to the
>possiblity of a commener becoming a scion with a tighmaevril weapon.
IMO, a
>commener who kills a scion with a tighmaevril weapon would still sever
the tie
>between land and king (heir gains no RP and domain uncontrolled). If
>bloodtheft were to occur, the killer should only gain maybe 1/8 of the
slain
>scion's bloodline strength and the scion's derivination. I think this
would be
>an issue of the feel of a campaign, I wouldn't allow it in my campaign
but it
>is plausable.
>
the reason i asked the question is that in a matter of time my players
will get transfered from Planascape to BR, but non of them feel like
"throwing away" their PC's,now i know that cant be a big problem, but
one of the PC's would li,e to play a regent in time, when he learned
enought about BR, im just figuring out a way hot to get him/her blooded
without losing the his/her character.
thats why i came up with the idea tighmaevril

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[JulesMrshn@aol.co]

In a message dated 1/16/99 10:31:57 PM Central Standard Time,
magnifi@hotmail.com writes:

>

Actually the best way would for a Regent to make him an heir, or maybe have
him invested on the battlefeild with the regency. Pursue that line of events.

[Kenneth Gauck]

I think its a magical process, or alchemical. Not metalurical.

I would require much adventuring in elven ruins for clues to the proper
magiks required.

[Arjan Duijs]

was tighmaevril created before or after the battle on deismaar? because
in the book it says "over 2000 years ago."
if it was created after, i would think some of the ingredients were
found there, because it "steels" the bloodline, so some how the
bloodsilver is also "infected" with godly powers, and if that is, i
think it might be some of azrai's power.

Arjan

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[Tim Nutting]

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If you read into the tighmaevril description, bloodsilver (a modern =
name) was discovered and worked by an ancient elven smith, being the =
only person to ever acquire the knowledge of how to work the metal.

Kenneth is probably right. Ghoingwnnwd is named as a smith, but =
considering the rather great power of the elves (who were able to create =
magical structures without the aid of realm magic) I think it reasonable =
to consider him to have been a wizard of some note, perhaps an artificer =
or some such. The other thing to note is that he is also the smith who =
crafted the Rings of Ley in the Book of Magecraft (unless I messed up =
there).

Tighmaevril is described as a flowing silvery metal, perhaps much like =
the mithril of other worlds. This metal is not mined, it is an alloy. =
Mithril is probably a major part of it, lending beauty to it, and =
perhaps some adamantite for strength. The true mix is anybody's guess, =
but would require magic to perform. No fire can melt adamantite, and =
you have to mine that from deep within the ground.

As far as whether or not the tighmaevril weapons become tainted, I can't =
say, but there are a good many tighmaevril items (blood hunger from =
Legends of the Hero Kings for example) that have a decidedly evil =
persona attached to them. =20

Another alternative for gifting a bloodline is called "The Land's =
Choice" out of the Book of Priestcraft. Essentially the present ruler =
of a land passes on and for some inexplicable reason the land chooses an =
individual to rule it, with the magic itself instantly investing the new =
regent. I used this once on a PC who was non-blooded. In the end of a =
mini campaign arc, the corrupt ruler of a fractured Roesone was slain by =
the unblooded PC. The king's dying breath was to curse his slayer with =
the crown that every other petty local wanted, and he died laughing, =
drowning in his blood. After all, no one said Land's Choice was a =
private thing....

Tim
zero@wiredweb.com


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If you read into the tighmaevril description, =
bloodsilver (a=20
modern name) was discovered and worked by an ancient elven smith, being =
the only=20
person to ever acquire the knowledge of how to work the =
metal.
 
Kenneth is probably right.  Ghoingwnnwd is =
named as a=20
smith, but considering the rather great power of the elves (who were =
able to=20
create magical structures without the aid of realm magic) I =
think it=20
reasonable to consider him to have been a wizard of some note, perhaps =
an=20
artificer or some such.  The other thing to note is that he is also =
the=20
smith who crafted the Rings of Ley in the Book of Magecraft (unless I =
messed up=20
there).
 
Tighmaevril is described as a flowing silvery metal, =
perhaps=20
much like the mithril of other worlds.  This metal is not mined, it =
is an=20
alloy.  Mithril is probably a major part of it, lending beauty to =
it, and=20
perhaps some adamantite for strength.  The true mix is anybody's =
guess, but=20
would require magic to perform.  No fire can melt adamantite, and =
you have=20
to mine that from deep within the ground.
 
As far as whether or not the tighmaevril weapons =
become=20
tainted, I can't say, but there are a good many tighmaevril items (blood =
hunger=20
from Legends of the Hero Kings for example) that have a decidedly evil =
persona=20
attached to them. 
 
Another alternative for gifting a bloodline is =
called=20
"The Land's Choice" out of the Book of Priestcraft.  =
Essentially=20
the present ruler of a land passes on and for some inexplicable reason =
the land=20
chooses an individual to rule it, with the magic itself instantly =
investing the=20
new regent.  I used this once on a PC who was non-blooded.  In =
the end=20
of a mini campaign arc, the corrupt ruler of a fractured Roesone was =
slain by=20
the unblooded PC. The king's dying breath was to curse his slayer with =
the crown=20
that every other petty local wanted, and he died laughing, drowning in =
his=20
blood.  After all, no one said Land's Choice was a private=20
thing....
 
Tim
zero@wiredweb.com
 

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[Olesens]

Tim Nutting wrote:

> If you read into the tighmaevril description, bloodsilver (a modern
> name) was discovered and worked by an ancient elven smith, being the
> only person to ever acquire the knowledge of how to work the
> metal. Kenneth is probably right. Ghoingwnnwd is named as a smith,
> but considering the rather great power of the elves (who were able to
> create magical structures without the aid of realm magic) I think it
> reasonable to consider him to have been a wizard of some note, perhaps
> an artificer or some such. The other thing to note is that he is also
> the smith who crafted the Rings of Ley in the Book of Magecraft
> (unless I messed up there).

You did mess up, kinda. It was a diffrent elf who made the Rings of
Ley, but he must have known Ghoingwnnwd because one of the rings was
made of tighmaevril. Either that or the Ring of Ley maker knew how to
use tighmaevril as well, but perhaps not to the extent required to craft
weapons.

- -Andrew

[Lee]

I would have to suggest that tighmaevril would have to rank up there with
researching/creating a magical item nearly as powerful as an artifact. Lots
of money and time spent, many interruptions, and most of all, you would need
some to start analysis.
As for the other question, I would suggest that such a weapon might just
pass along a bloodline (perhaps at 1/4 or 1/8 strength) to an unblooded
individual. See the origins of the Lamia, if I'm not mistaken. How someone
got hold of such a rare beauty would be another story.
For the GM moving from PS to BR, the investiture or Land's Choice would be
much better ways to go.
I really liked the "curse" of the dying ruler-- that's very dramatic.

Lee.

[Pieter Sleijpen]

Arjan Duijs wrote:
>
> the reason i asked the question is that in a matter of time my players
> will get transfered from Planascape to BR, but non of them feel like
> "throwing away" their PC's,now i know that cant be a big problem, but
> one of the PC's would li,e to play a regent in time, when he learned
> enought about BR, im just figuring out a way hot to get him/her blooded
> without losing the his/her character.

You can always invest a person by the priest spell, can make unblooded
characters blooded...(in my campaign El-Sirad is a tiefling on the run
for a Tanari, who hopes changing into an awnsheighlien will help him
defeat the Tanari in the long run :-) )
> thats why i came up with the idea tighmaevril
>
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[Tommy Ashton II]

At 08:24 PM 1/16/99 -0800, you wrote:
>>
>the reason i asked the question is that in a matter of time my players
>will get transfered from Planascape to BR, but non of them feel like
>"throwing away" their PC's,now i know that cant be a big problem, but
>one of the PC's would li,e to play a regent in time, when he learned
>enought about BR, im just figuring out a way hot to get him/her blooded
>without losing the his/her character.
>thats why i came up with the idea tighmaevril
>
A priest may transfer a blood line or a regent may designate (sp?) the
character as his heir. This is how the current Count of Illien became
blooded.

T
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