Neutral Alignment (was I feel a

[Kenneth Gauck]

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>(Sidebar comment: LN often DOES use "ends justify the means." That's =
why you can have LN >Bounty Hunters, LN Assassins, and LN politicians. =
(sorry))

I agree with Brandes, and will add that Neutral alignments (on the =
good-evil axis) are the ends-justify-the-means charcters par excellance. =
Good characters believe the means must be good as well as the ends. =
Evil characters don't care about the means. =20

KG


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>(Sidebar comment:  LN often DOES use =
"ends=20
justify the means."  That's why you can have LN >Bounty =
Hunters, LN=20
Assassins, and LN politicians. (sorry))
 
I agree with Brandes, and will add that Neutral =
alignments (on=20
the good-evil axis) are the ends-justify-the-means charcters par=20
excellance.  Good characters believe the means must be good as well =
as the=20
ends.  Evil characters don't care about the means.  =

 
KG
 

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[Ben]

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I would go so far as to say that the "ends justify the means" =
mentality is intrinsically tied with lawful alignment. Whereas CG =
characters are more concerned with means--and CE don't really care.=20
-----Original Message-----
From: Kenneth Gauck
To: birthright@MPGN.COM
Date: Saturday, February 20, 1999 8:40 PM
Subject: Re: [BIRTHRIGHT] - Neutral Alignment (was I feel a duty)
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>(Sidebar comment: LN often DOES use "ends justify the means." =
That's why you can have LN >Bounty Hunters, LN Assassins, and LN =
politicians. (sorry))
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I agree with Brandes, and will add that Neutral alignments (on the =
good-evil axis) are the ends-justify-the-means charcters par excellance. =
Good characters believe the means must be good as well as the ends. =
Evil characters don't care about the means. =20
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KG


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    I=20
would go so far as to say that the "ends justify the means" =
mentality=20
is intrinsically tied with lawful alignment. Whereas CG characters are =
more=20
concerned with means--and CE don't really care.

-----Original =
Message-----From:=20
Kenneth Gauck <c558382@earthlink.net>To:=20
birthright@MPGN.COM =
<birthright@MPGN.COM>Dat=
e:=20
Saturday, February 20, 1999 8:40 PMSubject: Re: =
[BIRTHRIGHT]=20
- Neutral Alignment (was I feel a duty)
>(Sidebar comment:  LN often DOES use =
"ends=20
justify the means."  That's why you can have LN >Bounty =

Hunters, LN Assassins, and LN politicians. (sorry))
 
I agree with Brandes, and will add that Neutral =
alignments=20
(on the good-evil axis) are the ends-justify-the-means charcters par =

excellance.  Good characters believe the means must be good as =
well as=20
the ends.  Evil characters don't care about the means. =20

 
KG
 

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[Kenneth Gauck]

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A lawful character might be that way, but that is only one way to play =
it. Lawful characters might favor laws, or order, or the interests of =
the group over the individual. A Lawful Evil ruler might ruthlessly put =
down resistance to his rule. A Lawful Evil guider might assasinate his =
rivals. In the case of all Lawfully aligned characters just arguments =
of justification are only along the good-evil axis. The Lawful Evil =
ruler would still recognize the lawful rights of his people (though =
anyone in rebellion posseses markedly fewer rights than obediant =
subjects), and the Lawful Evil guilder would be more troubled by the =
climate an assasination might create than the fact that he was killing =
another person. =20

Kenneth Gauck
c558382@earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: Silveras
Date: Sunday, February 21, 1999 1:28 PM


Heh ...
Oddly enough, I would argue that the Lawful alignments are the =
ones who *refuse* the argument that the end justifies the means; that =
such an attitude is more suited to Chaotic characters.=20
Rationale: Lawful characters are the ones most often seen with a =
code of honor, being concerned with following their teachings, =
requirements, and/or behaviors of their organizations. They are the ones =
who would (IMHO) be most likely to feel that a victory won through =
less-than-proper methods is a false victory.
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Just another opinion ....
=20
Silveras

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A lawful character might be that way, but that is =
only one way=20
to play it.  Lawful characters might favor laws, or order, or the =
interests=20
of the group over the individual.  A Lawful Evil ruler might =
ruthlessly put=20
down resistance to his rule.  A Lawful Evil guider might assasinate =
his=20
rivals.  In the case of all Lawfully aligned characters just =
arguments of=20
justification are only along the good-evil axis.  The Lawful Evil =
ruler=20
would still recognize the lawful rights of his people (though anyone in=20
rebellion posseses markedly fewer rights than obediant subjects), and =
the Lawful=20
Evil guilder would be more troubled by the climate an assasination might =
create=20
than the fact that he was killing another person. 
 
Kenneth =
Gauckc558382@earthlink.net

-----Original =
Message-----From:=20
Silveras <silveras@earthlink.net>=
Date:=20
Sunday, February 21, 1999 1:28 PM
    Heh ...
    Oddly enough, I =
would argue=20
that the Lawful alignments are the ones who *refuse* the argument that =
the end=20
justifies the means; that such an attitude is more suited to Chaotic=20
characters.
    Rationale: Lawful =
characters=20
are the ones most often seen with a code of honor, being concerned =
with=20
following their teachings, requirements, and/or behaviors of their=20
organizations. They are the ones who would (IMHO) be most likely to =
feel that=20
a victory won through less-than-proper methods is a false=20
victory.
 
    Just another opinion =
....
 
          &nbs=
p;=20
Silveras

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[Craig Dalrymple]

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You know, it has just dawned upon me that this whole neutrality =
discussion is
just another one of those "the alignment system is flawed" threads. We =
are
beating a very dead horse into the ground, alebit with some very good =
points
on our spears :)

I'd like to see some end on this one soon. I am not telling any of you =
what to
do but heck I would rather hear more ideas on how exactly Hermedhie got
those nasty scars on her cheeks.

Craig

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You know, it has just dawned upon me =
that this=20
whole neutrality discussion is
just another one of those "the =
alignment=20
system is flawed" threads. We are
beating a very dead horse into the =
ground,=20
alebit with some very good points
on our spears :)
 
I'd like to see some end on this one =
soon. I am=20
not telling any of you what to
do but heck I would rather hear more =
ideas on=20
how exactly Hermedhie got
those nasty scars on her =
cheeks.
 
Craig

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