12 tribes

[Daniel McSorley]

What were the 12 original duchies, and by extension the 12 original tribes
of the Andu? It has been on the list before, I just can't find my copy of
it.

Daniel McSorley- mcsorley.1@osu.edu
http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/~mcsorley/

[Tommy Ashton]

If somebody has the twelve tribes could somebody please post it.
At 12:16 AM 3/4/99 -0500, you wrote:
>What were the 12 original duchies, and by extension the 12 original tribes
>of the Andu? It has been on the list before, I just can't find my copy of
>it.
>
>Daniel McSorley- mcsorley.1@osu.edu
>http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/~mcsorley/
>
>
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[Solmyr]

>What were the 12 original duchies, and by extension the 12 original tribes
>of the Andu? It has been on the list before, I just can't find my copy of
>it.
>
I don't think there's a conclusive official answer, but based on several
references, IMO they are as follows:

Avanil
Boeruine
Diemed
Brosengae
Taeghas
Alamie
Aerenwe
Ghieste
Dhalaene
Mhoried
Osoerde
Cariele

Other realms (Elinie, Coeranys, Talinie, Dhoesone, Mieres) are either
colonies, borderlands, or hold lesser ranks than Duchy.

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[Olesens]

Daniel McSorley wrote:

> What were the 12 original duchies, and by extension the 12 original tribes
> of the Andu? It has been on the list before, I just can't find my copy of
> it.

This is from memory so it may be a little off:

Avanil
Diemed
Aerenwe
Osorede
Coernays
Eliene
Two Realms where Ghoere is now, one of them religious
Mhoried
Alamie
Bouruine
Taeghas
Cariele

The realms of Brosengae, Taliene, Mieres, and Dhoesone were all colonies and
border nations, not full Duchies. As you can see above, I've got one extra. I
forget which one it is though.

[Daniel McSorley]

From: Olesens
>Avanil
>Diemed
>Aerenwe
>Osorede
>Coernays
>Eliene
>Two Realms where Ghoere is now, one of them religious
>Mhoried
>Alamie
>Bouruine
>Taeghas
>Cariele
>
>The realms of Brosengae, Taliene, Mieres, and Dhoesone were all colonies
and
>border nations, not full Duchies. As you can see above, I've got one
extra. I
>forget which one it is though.
>
Hmm, I recall something about Avanil being a principality not a duchy?
So maybe it doesn't count. Ghieste was one of the pre-Ghoere nations I
recall, not sure about the other.

Daniel McSorley- mcsorley.1@osu.edu
http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/~mcsorley/

[the Falcon]

> Avanil
> Diemed
> Aerenwe
> Osorede
> Coernays
> Eliene
> Two Realms where Ghoere is now, one of them religious
> Mhoried
> Alamie
> Bouruine
> Taeghas
> Cariele
>
> The realms of Brosengae, Taliene, Mieres, and Dhoesone were all colonies and
> border nations, not full Duchies. As you can see above, I've got one extra. I
> forget which one it is though.

Wasn't Aerenwe originally part of Diemed? IIRC, Diemed encompassed
the entire South Coast...

[Andreas Kjeldsen]

> > Avanil
> > Diemed
> > Aerenwe
> > Osorede
> > Coernays
> > Eliene
> > Two Realms where Ghoere is now, one of them religious

Ghieste and... Dhalarne, I think the other was called.

> > Mhoried
> > Alamie
> > Bouruine
> > Taeghas
> > Cariele
> >
> > The realms of Brosengae, Taliene, Mieres, and Dhoesone were all colonies and
> > border nations, not full Duchies. As you can see above, I've got one extra. I
> > forget which one it is though.

Coeranys is also a border nation. I think it's a kingdom.

> Wasn't Aerenwe originally part of Diemed? IIRC, Diemed encompassed
> the entire South Coast...

No, Aerenwe was a Duchy. I think there is a map of the Empire in
front of either 'The Iron Throne' or 'War', where you can see the
Duchies and their borders, as well as the border nations.

Andreas

Andreas Kjeldsen
morkitar@dadlnet.dk
ICQ# 12703652

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[Jim Cooper]

Tommy Ashton wrote:
> Yeah, the Irone Throne is the best bet for these Duchies, but part of the original question that I have wondered about for a very long time is what were the original 12 TRIBES.<

Well, the only official one we know of is the 5th tribe: the Deretha.
The others we are just going to have to make up.

Cheers,
Darren

[Tommy Ashton II]

Jim Cooper wrote:
>
> Tommy Ashton wrote:
> > Yeah, the Irone Throne is the best bet for these Duchies, but part of the original question that I have wondered about for a very long time
is what were the
>
> Well, the only official one we know of is the 5th tribe: the Deretha.
> The others we are just going to have to make up.
> Well, the Mhora is the third tribe, but yeah, I guess we will. ;)
> Cheers,
> Darren
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[Solmyr]

>> > Yeah, the Irone Throne is the best bet for these Duchies, but part of
the original question that I have wondered about for a very long time
>is what were the
>>
>> Well, the only official one we know of is the 5th tribe: the Deretha.
>> The others we are just going to have to make up.
>> Well, the Mhora is the third tribe, but yeah, I guess we will. ;)


I read somewhere that the Boru (modern Boeruine) was also one of the tribes.
So now we have three known tribes: Boru, Mhora, and Deretha (likely modern
Diemed).

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[Olesens]

Jim Cooper wrote:

> Tommy Ashton wrote:
> > Yeah, the Irone Throne is the best bet for these Duchies, but part of the original question that I have wondered about for a very long time is what were the original 12 TRIBES.<
>
> Well, the only official one we know of is the 5th tribe: the Deretha.
> The others we are just going to have to make up.

Well I was reading some BR product (BoP I think) and I found the old name of the Bouruine family, the Boru or something like that. Page 118-119 of the BoP under
Haelyn's Rampart. House Bouruine's pre-Diesmaar (and shortly post) was Boru.

[Jim Cooper]

Tommy Ashton II wrote:
> > Well, the Mhora is the third tribe

Do you remember where you found that?!? I'm interested in the source
(because I'm working on the Pre-Deismaar portion of my campaign right
now, and could use all the official reference material I can get!) :D

Cheers,
Me