Birthright.net very soon now :)

[Cobos]

Our central webpage is very near a reality now and it is about time we
start getting a bit more concrete, not to mention we need some
volounteers. I remember CSS was mentioned (I never really grasped
exactly what it is but I'll learn..) and several good ideas and designs
have already been mentioned. Now we need someone to actually volounteer
to make the first draft (and if it is good it will be the permanent
solution) of the actual webpage with some proper content.
I will at least now in the starting process take on the position of
coordinator of the website, if the list agrees I will remain in this
position.
In the very beginning I think the most important part is to actually get

something on the site, and fast...That means less voting on the list and

long discussions on the list. I beleive that at this time, the first one

to make a useful design for the website will get his submission posted !

That is not because I do not like democratic ways or something, but
rather since we have nothing yet, ANY website is a great improvement !
We also need some (somewhere around the number 5 IMHO) main webmasters.
Someone who will actually do the HTML coding and preparing everything
submitted for posting. Adam Theo I seem to recall you volounteered here
too, if you still want be in please write me a message....

Please comment

Sindre Berg


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[Christopher Kira]

I'll volunteer to help out with the coding of the page. I can give examples
of my work and a small resume of company pages I've done should it be
needed.

Chris Kira -- CK
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[Admin Adam Theo]

Hello Birthrighters, Adam Theo here.
This day of Monday, June 07, 1999, at 3:14:44 PM

On Sunday, June 06, 1999, Sindre Cools Berg [cobos@saers.com]
Wrote in [BIRTHRIGHT] - Birthright.net very soon now :):
SCB> Our central webpage is very near a reality now and it is about time we
SCB> start getting a bit more concrete, not to mention we need some
SCB> volounteers. I remember CSS was mentioned (I never really grasped
SCB> exactly what it is but I'll learn..) and several good ideas and designs
SCB> have already been mentioned. Now we need someone to actually volounteer
SCB> to make the first draft (and if it is good it will be the permanent
SCB> solution) of the actual webpage with some proper content.
SCB> I will at least now in the starting process take on the position of
SCB> coordinator of the website, if the list agrees I will remain in this
SCB> position.
SCB> In the very beginning I think the most important part is to actually get

SCB> something on the site, and fast...That means less voting on the list and

SCB> long discussions on the list. I beleive that at this time, the first one

SCB> to make a useful design for the website will get his submission posted !

SCB> That is not because I do not like democratic ways or something, but
SCB> rather since we have nothing yet, ANY website is a great improvement !
SCB> We also need some (somewhere around the number 5 IMHO) main webmasters.
SCB> Someone who will actually do the HTML coding and preparing everything
SCB> submitted for posting. Adam Theo I seem to recall you volounteered here
SCB> too, if you still want be in please write me a message....

SCB> Please comment

Here is my reply:
actually, i like the idea of moving the Netbook to become this
'front page' of Birthright.NET . then if we do that, we can turn the
Netbook into the 'Hub' of this project. there would be about a dozen
or more 'sub sections' of the Netbook, which different people would
maintain. i for one would like to do the Links section of
Birthright.NEt/Netbook. but other sections could be the Online City
Project, Rules Changes/Additions, Plot/Story Lines, etc.
see what i mean? so we just turn the Netbook into this hub. Darkstar
can do some changes if he has the time, if not, i would like to help.

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[Arjan Duijs]

hello all,

as i am als helping to create things for the netbook (the Aetheradd island
on the Aduria expanion section)
i volunteer to help also.

cheers
Arjan


>From: Admin Adam Theo
>Reply-To: birthright@lists.imagiconline.com
>To: Sindre Cools Berg
>Subject: Re: [BIRTHRIGHT] - Birthright.net very soon now :)
>Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 15:22:23 -0400
>
>Hello Birthrighters, Adam Theo here.
> This day of Monday, June 07, 1999, at 3:14:44 PM
>
>On Sunday, June 06, 1999, Sindre Cools Berg [cobos@saers.com]
> Wrote in [BIRTHRIGHT] - Birthright.net very soon now :):
> SCB> Our central webpage is very near a reality now and it is about time
>we
>SCB> start getting a bit more concrete, not to mention we need some
>SCB> volounteers. I remember CSS was mentioned (I never really grasped
>SCB> exactly what it is but I'll learn..) and several good ideas and
>designs
>SCB> have already been mentioned. Now we need someone to actually
>volounteer
>SCB> to make the first draft (and if it is good it will be the permanent
>SCB> solution) of the actual webpage with some proper content.
>SCB> I will at least now in the starting process take on the position of
>SCB> coordinator of the website, if the list agrees I will remain in this
>SCB> position.
>SCB> In the very beginning I think the most important part is to actually
>get
>
>SCB> something on the site, and fast...That means less voting on the list
>and
>
>SCB> long discussions on the list. I beleive that at this time, the first
>one
>
>SCB> to make a useful design for the website will get his submission posted
>!
>
>SCB> That is not because I do not like democratic ways or something, but
>SCB> rather since we have nothing yet, ANY website is a great improvement !
>SCB> We also need some (somewhere around the number 5 IMHO) main
>webmasters.
>SCB> Someone who will actually do the HTML coding and preparing everything
>SCB> submitted for posting. Adam Theo I seem to recall you volounteered
>here
>SCB> too, if you still want be in please write me a message....
>
>SCB> Please comment
>
>Here is my reply:
> actually, i like the idea of moving the Netbook to become this
>'front page' of Birthright.NET . then if we do that, we can turn the
>Netbook into the 'Hub' of this project. there would be about a dozen
>or more 'sub sections' of the Netbook, which different people would
>maintain. i for one would like to do the Links section of
>Birthright.NEt/Netbook. but other sections could be the Online City
>Project, Rules Changes/Additions, Plot/Story Lines, etc.
> see what i mean? so we just turn the Netbook into this hub. Darkstar
>can do some changes if he has the time, if not, i would like to help.
>
>--
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> With Just Two Words: Quality and Privacy.'
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> Very First Page:
>
> Simple easy page to load. It has several textlinks with
> links to other pages. And text about what is new on the
> page since last update. And a disclaimer and other
> "boring" text at the bottom. Some sort of logo at the
> top of the page a nice background and that is it for
> pictures on the first page.

Sounds good. I think it would be worth doing a simple detection script on
the first page, and detecting the browser version. That way we can direct
each user to a different first page depending on the capabilities of their
browser. Some of the newer browsers (IE5 & NN4.5+) have some very nice
coding which makes it quite easy to make the page a bit more fancy (eg.
CSS), without consuming too much bandwidth. It also has the benefit that the
page will look exactly how it is supposed to look in each browser. even
though NN & IE both claim to support the same HTML standards, in practice I
have found it is a right royal pain in the *&%# to get a page to look the
same in both when it has anything remotely out of the ordinary on it. And
with the spread of browsers being about 50-50 between IE & NN these days,
you simply cannot afford to code for only one of them or you isolate too
many readers - something that should be avoided at all costs. But none of
this is urgent, and would be something that could be done in the future,
once a first page is up.

I seem to also recall that for copyright reason's, we also need to add a TSR
logo and link to the front page?!?

> Sections which are linked to from first page:
> (in no particular order)
> (this to illustrate a tree structure, I hope
> the indents survive the posting... :)

they did :-)

> BR Links
> Resources
> PBMG
> Sierra Comp Game
>
> Introduction
> Introduction to the BR Mailing List
> Introduction to the BR game
>
> Reviews of official TSR stuff
>
> Players resources
> New Domain Actions
> New Spells (W and P)
> New Realm Spells (W and P)
> Birthright Fiction etc.

probably also include:
Editorials and Discussions of various games aspects

> New Players Secrets books
> OCP's ? Should they be here or below ?

I'd like to see a separate section for "world info", for lack of a better
word. Call it the "Cerilian Atlas", or whatever (I'm sure someone can come
up with a better name), containing the OCP, Aduria project, and all other
stuff like that. Locations, domain sourcebooks (I know several people are in
the process of writing a player's secrets book of XXX).

> Other Info
>
> DM's Resources (behind a one page warning to players)
> New Magical Items
> NPC's
> Monsters
> Adventures
> New DM's Secrets books
> OCP's ??
> Other Info
>
> Credits
> Info about main webmasters

How about a message board - if it is linked from the main page, then there
will be a single central place for people to discuss BR (outside this
mailing list, of course).

> Sindre self-acclaimed coordinator of Birthright.net

and doing a good job too, I might add ;-)

Simon

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Hello Birthrighters, Adam Theo here.
This day of Monday, June 07, 1999, at 11:22:55 PM

On Monday, June 07, 1999, Simon Graindorge [simong@mech.uwa.edu.au]
Wrote in [BIRTHRIGHT] - Birthright.net very soon now :):
SG>

>> Very First Page:
>>
>> Simple easy page to load. It has several textlinks with
>> links to other pages. And text about what is new on the
>> page since last update. And a disclaimer and other
>> "boring" text at the bottom. Some sort of logo at the
>> top of the page a nice background and that is it for
>> pictures on the first page.

SG> Sounds good. I think it would be worth doing a simple detection script on
SG> the first page, and detecting the browser version. That way we can direct
SG> each user to a different first page depending on the capabilities of their
SG> browser. Some of the newer browsers (IE5 & NN4.5+) have some very nice
SG> coding which makes it quite easy to make the page a bit more fancy (eg.
SG> CSS), without consuming too much bandwidth. It also has the benefit that the
SG> page will look exactly how it is supposed to look in each browser. even
SG> though NN & IE both claim to support the same HTML standards, in practice I
SG> have found it is a right royal pain in the *&%# to get a page to look the
SG> same in both when it has anything remotely out of the ordinary on it. And
SG> with the spread of browsers being about 50-50 between IE & NN these days,
SG> you simply cannot afford to code for only one of them or you isolate too
SG> many readers - something that should be avoided at all costs. But none of
SG> this is urgent, and would be something that could be done in the future,
SG> once a first page is up.

SG> I seem to also recall that for copyright reason's, we also need to add a TSR
SG> logo and link to the front page?!?

>> Sections which are linked to from first page:
>> (in no particular order)
>> (this to illustrate a tree structure, I hope
>> the indents survive the posting... :)

SG> they did :-)

>> BR Links
>> Resources
>> PBMG
>> Sierra Comp Game
>>
>> Introduction
>> Introduction to the BR Mailing List
>> Introduction to the BR game
>>
>> Reviews of official TSR stuff
>>
>> Players resources
>> New Domain Actions
>> New Spells (W and P)
>> New Realm Spells (W and P)
>> Birthright Fiction etc.

SG> probably also include:
SG> Editorials and Discussions of various games aspects

>> New Players Secrets books
>> OCP's ? Should they be here or below ?

SG> I'd like to see a separate section for "world info", for lack of a better
SG> word. Call it the "Cerilian Atlas", or whatever (I'm sure someone can come
SG> up with a better name), containing the OCP, Aduria project, and all other
SG> stuff like that. Locations, domain sourcebooks (I know several people are in
SG> the process of writing a player's secrets book of XXX).

>> Other Info
>>
>> DM's Resources (behind a one page warning to players)
>> New Magical Items
>> NPC's
>> Monsters
>> Adventures
>> New DM's Secrets books
>> OCP's ??
>> Other Info
>>
>> Credits
>> Info about main webmasters

SG> How about a message board - if it is linked from the main page, then there
SG> will be a single central place for people to discuss BR (outside this
SG> mailing list, of course).

Here is my reply:
well, i don't think we really need a detection script and different
pages for each browser. i have found that it is usually best to stay
away from all those 'top of the line' technologies that are
incorporated into the browsers, since there are almost always better
ways to do the same effect. i think a properly designed page can
handle both IE & NV.
i like your idea, and think we can incorporate both of ours into it.
how is this:
Welcome Page: easy to load, etc. link to the home page, plus all
that legal disclaimer and stuff.
Home Page: Links to the following, which are maintained separately:
Links: Links to all sorts of BR stuff. (Me)
Spells: Realm, Conventional, Battle, Priest & Wizard. (Ian?)
Actions: Doamin, Character, Free, Realm. (Ian?)
Magical Items: Self Explanitory. (Anyone?)
Fiction: stories, campaign 'campfire stories', etc. (anyone?)

the Netbook could be 'converted' into this project. darkstar could
keep the sections he wanted to webmaster over on the same space (like
the blood abilities or domain actions, etc, whatever.).

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Admin Adam Theo wrote:
>

>
> Here is my reply:
> actually, i like the idea of moving the Netbook to become this
> 'front page' of Birthright.NET . then if we do that, we can turn the
> Netbook into the 'Hub' of this project. there would be about a dozen
> or more 'sub sections' of the Netbook, which different people would
> maintain. i for one would like to do the Links section of
> Birthright.NEt/Netbook. but other sections could be the Online City
> Project, Rules Changes/Additions, Plot/Story Lines, etc.
> see what i mean? so we just turn the Netbook into this hub. Darkstar
> can do some changes if he has the time, if not, i would like to help.
>
That seems like a good idea to me. I just don't seem to have the time to
update my page anymore, and there is a lot of good information I have to
add. I'd like to continue maintaining the Adurian expansion as well as
the Birthright Fiction page.
Perhaps for the start, you could just copy the netbook over to the new
site, and I'll put a link from the current site. You can download
everything that's in the Netbook at the following location. Give me a
yell when it's up and I'll create a page to forward people who go to the
old site.

http://members.xoom.com/ihoskins/birthright.zip

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[Cobos]

At 09:50 08.06.99 +0800, you wrote:
>
>
>> Very First Page:
>>
>> Simple easy page to load. It has several textlinks with
>> links to other pages. And text about what is new on the
>> page since last update. And a disclaimer and other
>> "boring" text at the bottom. Some sort of logo at the
>> top of the page a nice background and that is it for
>> pictures on the first page.
>
>Sounds good. I think it would be worth doing a simple detection script on
>the first page, and detecting the browser version. That way we can direct
>each user to a different first page depending on the capabilities of their
>browser. Some of the newer browsers (IE5 & NN4.5+) have some very nice
>coding which makes it quite easy to make the page a bit more fancy (eg.
>CSS), without consuming too much bandwidth. It also has the benefit that the
>page will look exactly how it is supposed to look in each browser. even
>though NN & IE both claim to support the same HTML standards, in practice I
>have found it is a right royal pain in the *&%# to get a page to look the
>same in both when it has anything remotely out of the ordinary on it. And
>with the spread of browsers being about 50-50 between IE & NN these days,
>you simply cannot afford to code for only one of them or you isolate too
>many readers - something that should be avoided at all costs. But none of
>this is urgent, and would be something that could be done in the future,
>once a first page is up.
I beleive the idea is good, but as Adam Theo said, this definately can wait
until we got an active webpage which people use.


>
>I seem to also recall that for copyright reason's, we also need to add a >TSR
>logo and link to the front page?!?
We don't actually HAVE to, but they would like it very much..and I had
assumed we did, I forgot to mention it, but since I beleive noone is
against this we can add this to the list...

>
>> Sections which are linked to from first page:
>> (in no particular order)
>> (this to illustrate a tree structure, I hope
>> the indents survive the posting... :)
>
>they did :-)
:)
>
>> BR Links
>> Resources
>> PBMG
>> Sierra Comp Game
>>
>> Introduction
>> Introduction to the BR Mailing List
>> Introduction to the BR game
>>
>> Reviews of official TSR stuff
>>
>> Players resources
>> New Domain Actions
>> New Spells (W and P)
>> New Realm Spells (W and P)
>> Birthright Fiction etc.
>
>probably also include:
> Editorials and Discussions of various games aspects
Of course I can register a few boards at www.insidetheweb.com when we
get the page up.....though I am a bit afraid of spreading the traffic
around, since this list TSR is monitoring and if we have several Internet
message boards with good discussions finding the right discussion might be
difficult, as well as the right place....

>
>> New Players Secrets books
>> OCP's ? Should they be here or below ?
>
>I'd like to see a separate section for "world info", for lack of a better
>word. Call it the "Cerilian Atlas", or whatever (I'm sure someone can come
>up with a better name), containing the OCP, Aduria project, and all other
>stuff like that. Locations, domain sourcebooks (I know several people are in
>the process of writing a player's secrets book of XXX).
Yes they can and (when I think about it) should be kept at a seperate
section. But I still want the warning page for those of the PS's that are
aimed at the DM not the player. My own Five Peaks PS is definiately not
something the players should read...

>
>> Other Info
>>
>> DM's Resources (behind a one page warning to players)
>> New Magical Items
>> NPC's
>> Monsters
>> Adventures
>> New DM's Secrets books
>> OCP's ??
>> Other Info
>>
>> Credits
>> Info about main webmasters
A new section: BR PBMG Resources This should be holding levels for all
regions, maps ???? (laws permitting), rule ideas etc. etc. to make starting
new PBMG's easier...

>
>How about a message board - if it is linked from the main page, then there
>will be a single central place for people to discuss BR (outside this
>mailing list, of course).

See above, but as a comment the test page that will be visible as soon as
the registration comes trhough will has already a link to a mesage board
that is supposed to be used for discussing the site if not BR itself....
This part is an answer to Adam Theo too... My original design was made from
the assumption that Darkstar moves all the data (or at least creates a
mirror) at the Birthright.net site. If he or someone else does the actual
updates depends on what he wants. The idea the way I see it is that the
main page (i.e. the first index.html) with the disclaimers and links to the
different sections (eks. DM/PC resources, World accesories, reviews etc.)
isn't changed that much. While the real work is done by the section
webmasters (i.e. you maintain the links and thus is responsible for the
links section etc.). The only exception is if we follow the Netbooks
example (which I find to be a nice design) and give information on what's
new since last update, that information would of course have to be changed
regularily then.
Where we actually place things physicly is a debate which I beleive is a
matter for the "council" when this is formed. The webspace I got is soon
rather fast and bannerfree (and free) while now it is only 10MB... Which is
lots of text but little pictures. But again this is way off-topic and isn't
really a matter for the list I think.
>
>> Sindre self-acclaimed coordinator of Birthright.net
>
>and doing a good job too, I might add ;-)
Thank you...
>
> Simon
>
>Simon Graindorge
>simong@iinet.net.au


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>
> >probably also include:
> > Editorials and Discussions of various games aspects
> Of course I can register a few boards at www.insidetheweb.com when we
> get the page up.....though I am a bit afraid of spreading the traffic
> around, since this list TSR is monitoring and if we have several Internet
> message boards with good discussions finding the right discussion might be
> difficult, as well as the right place....

Yeah, I agree with you on that. Let's keep our discussions here. But there could
be a board for comments on the submitted stuff and on the webpage.

>
>
> >
> >> New Players Secrets books
> >> OCP's ? Should they be here or below ?
> >
> >I'd like to see a separate section for "world info", for lack of a better
> >word. Call it the "Cerilian Atlas", or whatever (I'm sure someone can come
> >up with a better name), containing the OCP, Aduria project, and all other
> >stuff like that. Locations, domain sourcebooks (I know several people are in
> >the process of writing a player's secrets book of XXX).
> Yes they can and (when I think about it) should be kept at a seperate
> section. But I still want the warning page for those of the PS's that are
> aimed at the DM not the player. My own Five Peaks PS is definiately not
> something the players should read...

Yeah

>
> A new section: BR PBMG Resources This should be holding levels for all
> regions, maps ???? (laws permitting), rule ideas etc. etc. to make starting
> new PBMG's easier...

We should defenitly include this section. Perhaps to legalize the maps we could
put the TSR logo in the corner as a watermark. I'm not sure how to do this but
I'm sure it could be done.

>
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To those who are setting up birthright.net...

Is it possible to incorporate some kind of search engine on the site or
something? One that searches all html pages on the site for your
keywords. That'd be so neat...
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Hello Birthrighters, Adam Theo here.
This day of Friday, June 11, 1999, at 3:02:38 AM

On Thursday, June 10, 1999, the Falcon [m.m.richert@twi.tudelft.nl]
Wrote in [BIRTHRIGHT] - Birthright.net very soon now :):
tF> To those who are setting up birthright.net...

tF> Is it possible to incorporate some kind of search engine on the site or
tF> something? One that searches all html pages on the site for your
tF> keywords. That'd be so neat...

Here is my reply:
yep, it certainly would. it would be easy.

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[Cobos]

Admin Adam Theo wrote:

> Hello Birthrighters, Adam Theo here.
> This day of Monday, June 07, 1999, at 3:14:44 PM
>
>
> Here is my reply:
> actually, i like the idea of moving the Netbook to become this
> 'front page' of Birthright.NET . then if we do that, we can turn the
> Netbook into the 'Hub' of this project. there would be about a dozen
> or more 'sub sections' of the Netbook, which different people would
> maintain. i for one would like to do the Links section of
> Birthright.NEt/Netbook. but other sections could be the Online City
> Project, Rules Changes/Additions, Plot/Story Lines, etc.
> see what i mean? so we just turn the Netbook into this hub. Darkstar
> can do some changes if he has the time, if not, i would like to help.
>
> --
> Adam Theo, A Patriotic American Libertarian Capitalist.

Well the way I had thought it is like this:

Very First Page:

Simple easy page to load. It has several textlinks with
links to other pages. And text about what is new on the
page since last update. And a disclaimer and other
"boring" text at the bottom. Some sort of logo at the
top of the page a nice background and that is it for
pictures on the first page.

Sections which are linked to from first page:
(in no particular order)
(this to illustrate a tree structure, I hope
the indents survive the posting... :)

BR Links
Resources
PBMG
Sierra Comp Game

Introduction
Introduction to the BR Mailing List
Introduction to the BR game

Reviews of official TSR stuff

Players resources
New Domain Actions
New Spells (W and P)
New Realm Spells (W and P)
New Players Secrets books
Birthright Fiction etc.
OCP's ? Should they be here or below ?
Other Info

DM's Resources (behind a one page warning to players)
New Magical Items
NPC's
Monsters
Adventures
New DM's Secrets books
OCP's ??
Other Info

Credits
Info about main webmasters

This is all I can come up with right now. I did this very concrete because
that is the way I like to discuss things like this. This is nothing more
than a propsal and my "wishes" (lots of the idea is similar to Simon's).
What do you others think ? Especially you that promised to help ?
You will be the one to actually make this... And I'd also like to get
some feedback from Darkstar; do you want to move the data from the netbook
to this site or let the netbook remain as it is ? Mirrors ??


Sindre self-acclaimed coordinator of Birthright.net

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