investiture

[Rasmus Juul Wagner]

According to the rulebook, Investiture is an action for the person to be
invested, but not for the priest actually casting the Inestiture spell.

So, in my camapign, investiture goes like this:
The actual ritual can be performed by a priest regent, and takes about
half an hour. However, before you can be invested with lands or holdings,
you need to spend an action getting famuiliar with things, doing
paperwork, interrogating people etc.



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Rasmus Juul Wagner
Technical University of Denmark
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[Verrrucht@aol.co]

In a message dated 97-02-28 05:05:26 EST, you write:

>

Ok, I'm going to be a rules lawyer for just a minute then I'll shut up. A
domain action takes 3 weeks. A realm spell takes a domain action.
Investiture is a realm spell.

But, you run the game you want to and I'll run it the way I want to.

Verrucht

[Rasmus Juul Wagner]

On Sun, 2 Mar 1997 Verrrucht@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 97-02-28 05:05:26 EST, you write:
>
> invested, but not for the priest actually casting the Inestiture spell.
>
> So, in my camapign, investiture goes like this:
> The actual ritual can be performed by a priest regent, and takes about
> half an hour. However, before you can be invested with lands or holdings,
> you need to spend an action getting famuiliar with things, doing
> paperwork, interrogating people etc.
> >>
>
> Ok, I'm going to be a rules lawyer for just a minute then I'll shut up. A
> domain action takes 3 weeks. A realm spell takes a domain action.
> Investiture is a realm spell.

Yes, I know, but the rulebook says that it's a free action for the priest.
Maybe that just means he only has to cast the spell, and not spend an
extra action, but hey, I'm trying to get more PC priests, and making the
political power of Investiture more available might help :-).

>
> But, you run the game you want to and I'll run it the way I want to.
>
> Verrucht
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Technical University of Denmark
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[Verrrucht@aol.co]

In a message dated 97-03-03 03:40:06 EST, you write:

>

A free action lasts the same amount of time as a domain action. Consider
this..
A domain turn lasts 3 months (one season)
3 weeks times 3 actions is equal to 9 weeks or 2 months and a week.
3 weeks times 4 actions (which includes the free action) is 3 months.
I've already discussed this with Rich because I didn't know if a free action
was equal to 3 weeks. He assured me it did.

As far as players not playing priests, I don't know why anyone WOULDN'T want
to play a priest. I think the priests are great in this game and if I were a
player I would play one.

[Bresser, R.T.]

> From: Verrrucht@aol.com
> Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 18:27:42 -0500 (EST)
> To: birthright@MPGN.COM
> Subject: Re: [BIRTHRIGHT] - investiture
> Reply-to: birthright@MPGN.COM

> In a message dated 97-03-03 03:40:06 EST, you write:
>
> political power of Investiture more available might help :-).>>
>
> A free action lasts the same amount of time as a domain action. Consider
> this..
> A domain turn lasts 3 months (one season)
> 3 weeks times 3 actions is equal to 9 weeks or 2 months and a week.
> 3 weeks times 4 actions (which includes the free action) is 3 months.
> I've already discussed this with Rich because I didn't know if a free action
> was equal to 3 weeks. He assured me it did.
>
> As far as players not playing priests, I don't know why anyone WOULDN'T want
> to play a priest. I think the priests are great in this game and if I were a
> player I would play one.


Maybe the interpretation of the rules in our campaign is wrong, but
from what I remember from the contents of the Rulebook a domain turn
is divided into 3 months with one domain action a month and not three
weeks. Also, you're not restricted to only one free action a month:
you can do a build, muster armies and finance action all in one
domain turn. Strangely enough, that would lead to the situation that
free actions do not cost the regent any time at all. On the other
hand, if you look more closely to these three actions you will see
that none of them costs any regency. All you have to do is spend some
gold and there's your infantry unit, palace or whatever. And I don't
think that you need to be blooded to spend some gold and order some
peasants to build a road, form an army unit or melt down gold bars to
regular gold pieces. So generally I think that free actions do not
cost 3 weeks to perform; you just give the order that something has
to be done and pay for it. As I've said, I don't know if it's the right
interpretation, but it's the one we use in our campaign and it works
fine. Also, I can't remember any kind of statement in the Rulebook that domain
actions cost three weeks to perform.

The only problem with this view is that free actions for specific
classes such as agitate for priests and espionage for
thieves (which cost regency) are a bit strange. On the other hand,
the skill of that classes in that specific areas are such that it
would be easier to perform this kind of actions and their organizations are especially
suited for the task, so generally they'll need less time to use them.

What I really don't understand, however, is the free investiture
of the priest class. I've been playing a priest character for soem
time now and I just recently discovered that I had it. But I don't
understand how it can be that you can cast a specific realm spell as a free
action, while you need a regular action to cast all other realm
spells (I guess it's a game mechanic to make investiture more
available... and as such I think it's a good rule). Also, can
somebody explain to me what happens if a regent of another class does
an investiture action wirh the help of a priest. Does the priest pay
the regency and GB cost for it or is he just a necessary condition
for the action to succeed and does the other regent donate it all. As
far as I can remember what was said about it in the Boxed Set the
other regent had to donate regency and stuff to pay for the spell,
but I don't know for sure anymore.

Can you help me out?

Roald Bresser

[Gronko@aol.co]

In a message dated 97-03-04 07:36:54 EST, you write:

>

My rulebook is out on loan so I can't say for sure either way but:

Assuming that the rules don't cover this, or say that the priest must
pay for the action, I'd just force the non priest regent (if I was the
priest)
to pay for all the costs, and perhaps a little on top for my time. Unless
we were really close allies, then it might go differently.

Ctd

[Verrrucht@aol.co]

In a message dated 97-03-04 07:36:54 EST, you write: