Just what do non-Duke regents d

[Cec Stacey]

>
>
> I'm just about to start a campaign based in Tuornen. One PC is the
> Duke of Tuornen, another is his bodyguard (unblooded), another is his
> court wizard (who conrols all of Caine's sources), and another is a
> trader who controls all the Prince's Pride holdings in Tuornen (I thought

> turning over all of Prince's Pride to him would be too much, and possibly

> distract him from Tuornen as the focus of the campaign). I looked at
> their RPs and GBs, and they've discussed what they'd like to do with
> their realms a little, but most of the Domain Actions in the BR Rules
> seem to target domain rulers. Other than set up some ley lines and off
> some realm spells, what else would a wizard do a lot of? And other than
> set up trade routes, what would a guilder do?
> Another discrepancy I'm seeing is that the Duke is dirt poor (since
> he's got to pay court costs and armies), but the guilder, who lives in
> Castle Haes with the Duke, is rolling in dough. What do guild regents do

> with all their money? Just giving it to the Duke who needs it doesn't
> seem very likely.
> Suggestions, please!
>
> Ron
>
They get the crap taxed out of them by the duke, and keep the rest as
profit. What do you think Bill Gates does with his profits? Turn them
over to Bill Clinton?
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[rrbhaunoch@juno.com (Jos]

On Sun, 4 May 1997 19:50:58 -0600 (MDT) Ron Lundeen
writes:
>
> I'm just about to start a campaign based in Tuornen. One PC is
>the
>Duke of Tuornen, another is his bodyguard (unblooded), another is his
>court wizard (who conrols all of Caine's sources), and another is a
>trader who controls all the Prince's Pride holdings in Tuornen (I
>thought
>turning over all of Prince's Pride to him would be too much, and
>possibly
>distract him from Tuornen as the focus of the campaign). I looked at
>their RPs and GBs, and they've discussed what they'd like to do with
>their realms a little, but most of the Domain Actions in the BR Rules
>seem to target domain rulers. Other than set up some ley lines and
>off
>some realm spells, what else would a wizard do a lot of? And other
>than
>set up trade routes, what would a guilder do?
> Another discrepancy I'm seeing is that the Duke is dirt poor
>(since
>he's got to pay court costs and armies), but the guilder, who lives in
>
>Castle Haes with the Duke, is rolling in dough. What do guild regents
>do
>with all their money? Just giving it to the Duke who needs it doesn't
>
>seem very likely.
> Suggestions, please!
>
>Ron
>
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It seems as if maybe using agitate and contest would be very useful
actions for a theif or wizard regent to perform on any turn that they
have free of obligation or need to do otherwise. This in my opinion
should be one of the primary functions of a wizard regent charachter!!!

Also the Training action would be useful to ANY regent that had a turn to
burn.

My two GB's

Rrbhaunoch

[Kariu@aol.co]

I agree with much of what Epson said as for what does a guilder do with his
money. Another idea that I plan on using is this: Using a diplomacy action
with a domain and offer that domain gold bars if they support my actions with
thier law holdings. This way I get an unfair advangate over my opposition
and the landed regent gets a kickback...I 'assume' it'll work and everybody's
happy, but that other guilded I'm about to crush.


Kariu

[JOHN RICKARDS]

A non-Duke guilder can also use his monet to provide his businesses
and services with a major facelift, get himself some really nice
headquarters (with the medieval equivalent of potted plants,
fountains and wall-to-wall carpeting) and increase the pay of his
employees as a reward for a job well done (which also makes them that
much less susceptible to bribes, and that extra bit loyal).

The Duke can inform the guilder that to protect that treasury full of
gold he has will cost quite a bit extra - it is after all a very
tempting target for thieves (including opposing guilds most of the
time), and if he won't pay the Duke and his army to do that, it might
be an idea to invest in some security of his own. Think of the
benefits of magical protection - none of that "teleporting into the
vault" business. Expensive, of course......

[MHahn59022@aol.co]

In a message dated 97-05-05 01:03:48 EDT, you write:

[Olivier]

Ron Lundeen wrote:

> I looked at
> their RPs and GBs, and they've discussed what they'd like to do with
> their realms a little, but most of the Domain Actions in the BR Rules
> seem to target domain rulers. Other than set up some ley lines and off
> some realm spells, what else would a wizard do a lot of? And other than
> set up trade routes, what would a guilder do?
> Another discrepancy I'm seeing is that the Duke is dirt poor (since
> he's got to pay court costs and armies), but the guilder, who lives in
> Castle Haes with the Duke, is rolling in dough. What do guild regents do
> with all their money? Just giving it to the Duke who needs it doesn't
> seem very likely.
> Suggestions, please!
>
> Ron

If you want to pay only the political game, you can't do that only in
tuornen. You must play actively all the neighbors of Tuornen.
Your wizard must compete with other wizards in the surounding lands, and
there are a lot : Eyeless One, Harald Khorien, Arlen Innis and Rhuobhe
Manslayer himself ! This one have only a few regency points, but is very
powerfull. It's a great challenge !! your wizard must also study to
learn spells to defend Tuornen !
Your Guilder must also compete with PAI, MB and even GK. The GB must be
used in Espionnage Actions, and the regent of Tuornen can tax the
guilder.

If you want more ideas, write me, i have 20 players who play only the
political game.

Olivier

[cmurphy@staterail.nsw.go]

Ron Lundeen wrote:
>
> I'm just about to start a campaign based in Tuornen. One PC is the
> Duke of Tuornen, another is his bodyguard (unblooded), another is his
> court wizard (who conrols all of Caine's sources), and another is a
> trader who controls all the Prince's Pride holdings in Tuornen (I thought
> turning over all of Prince's Pride to him would be too much, and possibly
> distract him from Tuornen as the focus of the campaign). I looked at
> their RPs and GBs, and they've discussed what they'd like to do with
> their realms a little, but most of the Domain Actions in the BR Rules
> seem to target domain rulers. Other than set up some ley lines and off
> some realm spells, what else would a wizard do a lot of? And other than
> set up trade routes, what would a guilder do?
> Another discrepancy I'm seeing is that the Duke is dirt poor (since
> he's got to pay court costs and armies), but the guilder, who lives in
> Castle Haes with the Duke, is rolling in dough. What do guild regents do
> with all their money? Just giving it to the Duke who needs it doesn't
> seem very likely.
> Suggestions, please!
>
> Ron
>
> .................................................. ................
> . .
> . And I am frightened by the corrupted ways of this land .
> . If only I could meet the Maker .
> . And I am fascinated by the spiritual man .
> . I'm humbled by his humble nature .
> . - Alanis Morissette, "All I Really Want" .
> .................................................. ................
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You may want to have the Guilder be a Vassal of the Duke, this would
mean they have an agreement that the Guilder gives the Duke a percentage
of his Regency Points and Gold Bars made each turn in return for the
Duke's blessing and support - if the Guilder ever decided to break the
vassalage, the Duke could seize the Guild Holdings and either run them
himself (he wouldn't gain regency but he would get the GB's) or turn
them over to a faithful Lieutenant / Vassal.

[Diana L. Paxson]

Ron Lundeen wrote:
>
> I'm just about to start a campaign based in Tuornen. One PC is the
> Duke of Tuornen, another is his bodyguard (unblooded), another is his
> court wizard (who conrols all of Caine's sources), and another is a
> trader who controls all the Prince's Pride holdings in Tuornen (I thought
> turning over all of Prince's Pride to him would be too much, and possibly
> distract him from Tuornen as the focus of the campaign). I looked at
> their RPs and GBs, and they've discussed what they'd like to do with
> their realms a little, but most of the Domain Actions in the BR Rules
> seem to target domain rulers. Other than set up some ley lines and off
> some realm spells, what else would a wizard do a lot of? And other than
> set up trade routes, what would a guilder do?
> Another discrepancy I'm seeing is that the Duke is dirt poor (since
> he's got to pay court costs and armies), but the guilder, who lives in
> Castle Haes with the Duke, is rolling in dough. What do guild regents do
> with all their money? Just giving it to the Duke who needs it doesn't
> seem very likely.
> Suggestions, please!
>
> Ron

If the Guilder lives with the Duke, the Duke can allways demand rent
from his wealthy room-mate. In my campain, the regent of Elinie married
the Guildmistess of Points East Trade Company (PETCo. for short),
pooling their resources.
As to what Guildmasters & Wizards do with their time: Guilds compeate
with rival Guilds (wars of espionage can sometimes get alot nastier than
conflicts between kingdoms), and Wizards usualy are buisy with Research
actions - getting those extra Realm or Battle Spells, etc.

Grendel Todd

[Espen A. Johnsen]

If the Duke is dirt poor and the others are rolling in dough, something isn't
right!

1) I know I missed this one the first time , so remember that if the Duke uses
his law holdings to get money from others, like the guildes, tempels, etc, then
the owners of the targeted holdings must draw the sum gained by the law holdings
from ther own income. So if the dukes law holding got 2GB from the temples
income, then the temples owner must subtract this from his/her own income...just
see that the holding targeted gets min 1GB in profit!!!
( that is the way I see Law holdings anyway!!)

2) On some occations, a large amount of travel along a road or true a province(
like trade routes) usualy leads to the regent demanding road tax so that he/she
may protect the travlers propperly!!! A profit of 1/5 of a traderoutes income is
not unthinkable, ie if there is a traderoute of 5GB or more in income the regnet
may profit there too.

3) Well insted of giving the money to the regent a LOAN might be in order, in
return the regnet might promise to pay back more GB or a favor in any form that
is acceptible.

4) Bribes... If a regent is so poor, others may take advantage of this by
offering a small amount of money for the king to throw out an opponent or for
the regnet to look the other way!!!

5) If other regnets are building up large armies, then the oter Regents may
deside to give some donation to the WAR FOUND for personal reasons....

As for what else a guilder might do... build himself a private home, take over
other guilds, crush rival guilds, maybe get his own litle army and take ower a
few provinces and make himself king or if he and the king are working together
maybe set up a spy network.

Wizards have litle to do actualy... but they are found of knowledge so a wizard
may strive to get a library and the books and if hes got the alchemy prof. from
PO: Spells & Magic then he might make a labratory to make a few substaces

Espen Johnsen
Norway

[Espen A. Johnsen]

A tought just poped into my head here!!!!
Why not give the Duke of Tuornen all of the holdings ( temples, sorces, guilds,
law holdings, etc. ) that you want the caracters to have and then he makes the
other players vassals over the diffrent holdings so as to use the holdings
fully.

The Wizard is given the use of the regents ley lines so that the realm can be
better protected.

The Cleric can be the Dukes spiritual advicor and becose he want's all his
people to share in his believes. And he need an extra source of income.

The "Guilder" is given the control of the thieving guilds to make a spy-network
and also a little income.

The Duke may wish to keep his Law-Holdings or he may wish to have a few vassals
to easier control his realm ( useful in larger realms ), but he still gets most
of , if not all, the RP. If you look at who the Gorgon's way to rule Kiergard
you will understand what I mean.

This way the Duke will always have som extra founds to take from.

Anyway, it's only a suggestion.

Espen Johnsen.