Quick Bloodline question

[Raesene Andu]

Should those with the True bloodline have a 3rd scion level?

This only applies to a few awnshegh, so this 3rd scion level wouldn't need to be included in the bloodline chapter. But it does make a difference when working on creating the info on Anwshegh like the Gorgon, Spider, etc.

I was just looking over the Spider's stats and the question came up.

[Sorontar]

> Should those with the True bloodline have a 3rd scion level?

Perhaps, but this got me thinking.... can the Gorgon be regarded as human? Can any with the True bloodline (extreme Awnshegh or Ershegh) be regarded as human (or their original race/species) if they have taken on nonhuman bodyparts etc. Is their mind still human so human-specific spells etc will still affect them? Or are they just magical monsters? Or celestial monsters?

Sorontar

[Raesene Andu]

Good question, another question is when do you stop considering them human and they become monsters. An awnshegh who is only just beginning to transform may still be human in appearance, but with the bloodform feat it will not be long before they appear most like the creature they will become rather than their old human (or goblins, or whatever) selves.

[geeman]

At 05:24 AM 8/22/2005 +0200, Sorontar wrote:

>Perhaps, but this got me thinking.... can the Gorgon be regarded as human?
>Can any with the True bloodline (extreme Awnshegh or Ershegh) be regarded
>as human (or their original race/species) if they have taken on nonhuman
>bodyparts etc. Is their mind still human so human-specific spells etc will
>still affect them? Or are they just magical monsters? Or celestial monsters?

Is it really the nature of their bloodline or their transformation that is
at issue when it comes to describing their type? Several awn-/ersheghlien
are as transformed or more so than those with true bloodlines while they
having less powerful bloodlines. The strength of a character`s bloodline
appears to be a factor an influence, but that influence is at least
somewhat indirect.

That said, I personally have anyone who takes on some transformation add a
type modification as in "Medium-sized awnshegh (augmented Khinasi human)"
for a character who has taken some transformations, or "Large Major
Awnshegh (augmented Rjurik human)" for for a character who has taken on
additional transformation effects and, thus, become "major awnsheghlien."

The purpose of changing the type for the character is that it allows for a
way of countering the effects of magic that might reverse the effects of
transformation. In the same way shapechangers are effected differently by
polymorph spells, awn-/ersheghlien should not have the effects of their
godly transformation changed by "mundane" magics in the same way as other
characters. I use a pretty different system of portraying awn-/ersheghlien
transformation, so unless one is familiar with it some of the vocabulary
might not make a lot of sense, but here`s the text from that portion of the
write-up.

"Some disadvantages can be temporarily countered by magic. Some of the
effects of size decrease might be altered by a Growth spell or a character
with disadvantages based on insanity might be the subject of a Heal
spell. In such cases, the effects of such spells are always temporary,
even if the spell is normally permanent and for the effect to take place at
all the spellcaster must overcome the power of the transformation to begin
with.

In order for a conventional spell to counter the effects of a character`s
transformation the spellcaster must make an opposed roll using his
spellcaster level as a modifier. The awnshegh or ershegh uses his levels
in the awnshegh/ershegh character class as a modifier for the opposed
roll. If the result of the spellcaster`s level is higher than that of the
awnshegh/ershegh then the spell takes effect.

Even if the spell that counters a transformation or disadvantage takes
effect it remains in effect for a number of hours longer than the caster`s
spellcaster level less twice the number of disadvantages that are being
countered. For example, a Heal spell cast by a 16th level cleric upon a
character with Phobia 1, 2, 3 and 4 would remain in effect for 16(2x4)=8
hours."

There`s also the ability of an awn-/ersheghlien to take on another subtype
as part of the system of portraying such characters. That transformation
effect reads

"Subtype: You may add a subtype to your character description (fey,
outsider, undead, etc.) allowing you to employ weapons or magic items
useable only by members of that subtype and qualifying you for prestige
classes available only to that subtype."

I hope that makes some sense.

Gary