Tristan, knighthood, quests, &c

[kgauck]

There are two ways to find a wife in medieval German heroic literature: Brautraub and Brautwerburg. Braut means bride; raub means to kidnap, rob, or steal; werben means to enlist, attract, recruit, or more precisely in this case, woo.

Tristan has been sent to Ireland to recruit Isolde as Mark`s bride. Tristan is Mark`s nephew, and is a kind of PC lieutenant. It turns out that a dragon has taken up near Wexford, and Gurmun, king of Ireland, swore by his royal cloth to give his daughter to any who can make and end of it - so long as he is a knight and of noble birth. For our purposes, lets just say blooded. This kind of scenario is well suited for a BR setting. Especially where the PC`s don`t know precisely how to go about finding an NPC bride.

Brautraub might work as well in a Rjurik or Vos setting.

As an aside, knighthood is a particular office. Its a suitable threshold marker for fighters and paladins, denoting both some social standing and the fact that you have done something to get yourself knighted. Perhaps you have aquired certain feats, or performed some valued service. It seems there should be some similar marker for other classes. Fighters of high standing grant knighthood. Likewise clerics, wizards, and guilders should probabaly have some mark of status suggesting that they have done something to merit additional respect.

Kenneth Gauck
kgauck@mchsi.com

************************************************** **************************
The Birthright Homepage: http://www.birthright.net
To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM
with UNSUB BIRTHRIGHT-L in the body of the message.

[Trithemius]

> As an aside, knighthood is a particular office. Its a
> suitable threshold marker for fighters and paladins, denoting
> both some social standing and the fact that you have done
> something to get yourself knighted. Perhaps you have aquired
> certain feats, or performed some valued service. It seems
> there should be some similar marker for other classes.
> Fighters of high standing grant knighthood. Likewise
> clerics, wizards, and guilders should probabaly have some
> mark of status suggesting that they have done something to
> merit additional respect.

I have always assumed that the position of court magus was not one of
neccessity but one that could only be earned by a mage. Not every ruler
would seek to have a mage controlling the magic of the land (despite the
mechanical benefits), instead such a position could be the equal of
`commander of the royal guard` or some such. Only magi of proven loyalty
and ability would be appointed to such a position.

I also like to assume that many Anuireans treat Royal College graduates
like the wizardly equivalent of knights> Even if this is technically
inaccurate, I assume that the non-magical inhabitants of Anuire like to
see things in their own terms.

As a bit of an attempt to return to the topic though, I have been trying
to figure out how magi find suitable spouses. I am assuming that magic
is a rare gift and that it has some tie to heredity. Therefore blooded
magi might be prepared to into families that lack a bloodline, but that
have a high propensity for the magical gift, especially if they are
seeking to create a wizardly lineage (such as breeding a line of
successors to the position of court-magus for instance). Wizards who
seek political marriage, or merely to strengthen the bloodline might
choose marriages in much the same way as non-magical scions.

--
John Machin
(trithemius@paradise.net.nz)
-----------------------------------
"Nothing is more beautiful than to know the All."
Athanasius Kircher, Ars Magna Sciendi.

************************************************** **************************
The Birthright Homepage: http://www.birthright.net
To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM
with UNSUB BIRTHRIGHT-L in the body of the message.

[Trithemius]

> As an aside, knighthood is a particular office. Its a
> suitable threshold marker for fighters and paladins, denoting
> both some social standing and the fact that you have done
> something to get yourself knighted. Perhaps you have aquired
> certain feats, or performed some valued service. It seems
> there should be some similar marker for other classes.
> Fighters of high standing grant knighthood. Likewise
> clerics, wizards, and guilders should probabaly have some
> mark of status suggesting that they have done something to
> merit additional respect.

I have always assumed that the position of court magus was not one of
neccessity but one that could only be earned by a mage. Not every ruler
would seek to have a mage controlling the magic of the land (despite the
mechanical benefits), instead such a position could be the equal of
`commander of the royal guard` or some such. Only magi of proven loyalty
and ability would be appointed to such a position.

I also like to assume that many Anuireans treat Royal College graduates
like the wizardly equivalent of knights> Even if this is technically
inaccurate, I assume that the non-magical inhabitants of Anuire like to
see things in their own terms.

As a bit of an attempt to return to the topic though, I have been trying
to figure out how magi find suitable spouses. I am assuming that magic
is a rare gift and that it has some tie to heredity. Therefore blooded
magi might be prepared to into families that lack a bloodline, but that
have a high propensity for the magical gift, especially if they are
seeking to create a wizardly lineage (such as breeding a line of
successors to the position of court-magus for instance). Wizards who
seek political marriage, or merely to strengthen the bloodline might
choose marriages in much the same way as non-magical scions.

--
John Machin
(trithemius@paradise.net.nz)
-----------------------------------
"Nothing is more beautiful than to know the All."
Athanasius Kircher, Ars Magna Sciendi.

************************************************** **************************
The Birthright Homepage: http://www.birthright.net
To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM
with UNSUB BIRTHRIGHT-L in the body of the message.

[ConjurerDragon]

Hello!
The Book of Magecraft describes how to become an Imperial Archmage...
bye
Michael
********

Kenneth Gauck wrote:

>There are two ways to find a wife in medieval German heroic literature: Brautraub and Brautwerburg. Braut means bride; raub means to kidnap, rob, or steal; werben means to enlist, attract, recruit, or more precisely in this case, woo.
>
>Tristan has been sent to Ireland to recruit Isolde as Mark`s bride. Tristan is Mark`s nephew, and is a kind of PC lieutenant. It turns out that a dragon has taken up near Wexford, and Gurmun, king of Ireland, swore by his royal cloth to give his daughter to any who can make and end of it - so long as he is a knight and of noble birth. For our purposes, lets just say blooded. This kind of scenario is well suited for a BR setting. Especially where the PC`s don`t know precisely how to go about finding an NPC bride.
>
>Brautraub might work as well in a Rjurik or Vos setting.
>
>As an aside, knighthood is a particular office. Its a suitable threshold marker for fighters and paladins, denoting both some social standing and the fact that you have done something to get yourself knighted. Perhaps you have aquired certain feats, or performed some valued service. It seems there should be some similar marker for other classes. Fighters of high standing grant knighthood. Likewise clerics, wizards, and guilders should probabaly have some mark of status suggesting that they have done something to merit additional respect.
>
>Kenneth Gauck
>kgauck@mchsi.com
>
>************************************************** **************************
>The Birthright Homepage: http://www.birthright.net
>To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM
>with UNSUB BIRTHRIGHT-L in the body of the message.
>

************************************************** **************************
The Birthright Homepage: http://www.birthright.net
To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM
with UNSUB BIRTHRIGHT-L in the body of the message.

[Trithemius]

>
> Hello!
> The Book of Magecraft describes how to become an Imperial
> Archmage... bye Michael
> ********

Where exactly?
I am curious, since this is something else I seem to have missed in my
reading of the book.

--
John Machin
(trithemius@paradise.net.nz)
-----------------------------------
"Nothing is more beautiful than to know the All."
Athanasius Kircher, Ars Magna Sciendi.

************************************************** **************************
The Birthright Homepage: http://www.birthright.net
To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM
with UNSUB BIRTHRIGHT-L in the body of the message.

[Lee]

In a message dated 5/13/02 7:46:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kgauck@MCHSI.COM
writes:

<< As an aside, knighthood is a particular office. Its a suitable threshold
marker for fighters and paladins, denoting both some social standing and the
fact that you have done something to get yourself knighted. Perhaps you have
aquired certain feats, or performed some valued service. It seems there
should be some similar marker for other classes. Fighters of high standing
grant knighthood. Likewise clerics, wizards, and guilders should probabaly
have some mark of status suggesting that they have done something to merit
additional respect. >>

I`m not sure the guilders would, or they could have many (Gah-- a
Cerilian Rotary Club!). IMO, there should be a lot more organizations like
orders of chivalry, elite priestly orders, etc.
Could Law holders recognize Knighthood? Perhaps that would include the
right to bear arms and armor openly in Anuire or Khinasi, etc. IIRC medieval
and Renaissance societies only the nobles/knights could do that.


Lee.

************************************************** **************************
The Birthright Homepage: http://www.birthright.net
To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM
with UNSUB BIRTHRIGHT-L in the body of the message.

[ConjurerDragon]

Hi John,
sorry, can´t look up right now, the BoM is at work and I´ll be back at
home with internet-access not before thursday.

From memory it was somewhere in the description about the college of
sorcery in Anuire.

If noone else posts the page I´ll read it up and post it on thursday
evening (CET).
bye
Michael
**************************

John Machin wrote:

>>Hello!
>>The Book of Magecraft describes how to become an Imperial
>>Archmage... bye Michael
>>********
>>
>
>Where exactly?
>I am curious, since this is something else I seem to have missed in my
>reading of the book.
>
>--
>John Machin
>(trithemius@paradise.net.nz)
>-----------------------------------
>"Nothing is more beautiful than to know the All."
>Athanasius Kircher, Ars Magna Sciendi.
>
>************************************************** **************************
>The Birthright Homepage: http://www.birthright.net
>To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM
>with UNSUB BIRTHRIGHT-L in the body of the message.
>

************************************************** **************************
The Birthright Homepage: http://www.birthright.net
To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM
with UNSUB BIRTHRIGHT-L in the body of the message.

[Birthright-L]

<< There are two ways to find a wife in medieval German heroic literature:
Brautraub and Brautwerburg. Braut means bride; raub means to kidnap, rob,
or steal; werben means to enlist, attract, recruit, or more precisely in
this case, woo.
>>

You mean "BrautwerbuNg". And "raubEN" means to kidnap, rob, or steal, while
a "Raub" is a kidnapping, robbery, or theft.

************************************************** **************************
The Birthright Homepage: http://www.birthright.net
To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM
with UNSUB BIRTHRIGHT-L in the body of the message.

[kgauck]

----- Original Message -----
From: "the Falcon" <M.M.Richert@ITS.TUDELFT.NL>
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 6:08 AM


> You mean "BrautwerbuNg". And "raubEN" means to kidnap, rob, or steal,
while
> a "Raub" is a kidnapping, robbery, or theft.

All true. "burg" was a typo, substituting a familiar set of letters. We
don`t generally conjugate in English as much, so I didn`t bother explaining
the grammer of rauben to English speakers, but used the root as it appeared
in the word in question. Certainly its a cognate of the familar English
"rob".

Kenneth Gauck
kgauck@mchsi.com

************************************************** **************************
The Birthright Homepage: http://www.birthright.net
To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM
with UNSUB BIRTHRIGHT-L in the body of the message.