How is the 3ed conversion going?

[jaldaen]

Hello All,

I'm an avid fan of 3ed and Birthright and I noticed that it has been a while since the last announcement... How are things going? I hope they are going well. Is there any new news to report? I'd offer my help, but I donated all my Birthright material to my local university's gaming club and don't have access to it anymore. ;-(

I had no idea how much I'd miss that setting when I donated it (and all the supplements)... if I had perhaps I would have kept hold of it... so you can understand my interest in seeing a 3ed conversion.

Jaldaen

[Raesene Andu]

Then you will probably enjoy the 3rd Edition Birthright Campaign Setting which will provide all that you need to play a 3rd Edition BR game (well almost anyway).

As for how it is going, chapter 1 is nearly final, chapters 2, 3, 6, 7, and 8 are in draft or close to it. (This is out of 11 chapters)

Chapter 4, 5 & 9 are being worked on at the moment.


Chapter 4, which is the one I'm working on at the moment, should (finger's crossed here) have a first draft done by the end of the month. Chapter 4 is a look at the gods, planar cosmology, and religious sects by the way. Not sure when the other two are due for completion.

Which leaves chapter's 10 (running the game) and 11 (know thine enemy) to be started.

[jaldaen]

Raesene Andu,

Thanks for the information... I look forward to when this is released so that I can start up a new Birthright campaign ;-)

Jaldaen

[xpto]

Howdy!

You said chapter 1 is almost done.

Do you intend to release all the 11 chapters at one time or can will we get the chapters as soon as they get done?

I prefer the 2nd option, we can look it up and coment on them even before the 1st oficial release.

I also prefer the 2nd option cause i am almost DESPERATE fo BirthRight :) .... now seriously witch release method you intend to use?

just my 2cp.

Thanks

[Raesene Andu]

Everything will be released at once, as a complete downloadable book. It could be quite large I am thinking... :)

However, some small sections will be available as a preview in the upcoming (as yet untitled) Birthright e-zine. It is due for release on the end of october, assuming we can find people interested in writing for it.

Although not confirmed, the first issue of the e-zine should be a look at Anuire, providing you with some 3E stuff to use for Anuirean campaigns.

[Eosin the Red]

I know this is probably WAY too late but I will pipe in anyway. Never let timing stop me before.

I hope the group looked at the way human races were differenciated in the Wheel of Time game. While I use the system for all of my d20 games, I understand others may chose differently. The racial `specialization` really distinguishes humans and is worth a look at.

The second thing is the bump in skill points. BR could really use it.

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[Raesene Andu]

Personally, I haven't seen the Wheel of Time game, so I don't know if the BRCS matches the rules presented in it. All I can say though, is that I was happy with the way everything so far has been written up, and that is saying something...

[irdeggman]

Sorry, most of the development group does not have a copy of the Wheel of Time. OK, at least I don't have a copy of it either and am not planning on getting one. :)

[Grimwell]

Are the bloodlines going to be tied to levels as per the Doom conversion, or are you doing something else? :)

[Raesene Andu]

I don't think Doom's conversion tied bloodlines to levels did it?

Anyway, no, bloodlines in the BRCS will not be tied to levels as such. The system will be different than that presented in the original rules though, and I think a much better system, especially in term of game balance, while still keeping true to the setting.

This was one part of the rules I wasn't sure could be done right, but I'm please with what has been done (although I had little to do with that particular chapter).

[Birthright-L]

I`d like to point out a basic outline I have for a Bloodline system. It
isn`t much yet, but it might give some people ideas:
http://theoretic.com/?Bloodlines

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> I don`t think Doom`s conversion tied bloodlines to levels did it?
>
> Anyway, no, bloodlines in the BRCS will not be tied to levels as such. The system will be different than that presented in the original rules though, and I think a much better system, especially in term of game balance, while still keeping true to the setting.
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> This was one part of the rules I wasn`t sure could be done right, but I`m please with what has been done (although I had little to do with that particular chapter).

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[Eosin the Red]

> irdeggman wrote:
> Sorry, most of the development group does not have a >copy of the Wheel of Time. OK, at least I don`t have a >copy of it either and am ot planning on getting one. :)


Since that is two replies - with I ain`t looked at it, the question would be do you want to see how WotC went about making humans different in a predominantly human setting?

I am willing to type up a little letter showing how it was done, but I really do not like wasting my breath. If your decision is stone, so be it. I can live with it. If not let me know and I will shoot you off an email in the next week or so.

Eosin the Red.

PS -This does not mean you are obliged to change anything, just obliged to look at it with an open mind.

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[irdeggman]

I wouldn't bother with the write up. What is written so far, and its pretty well set, follows the regional set up of the FRCS. The FRCS was used as a comparison for how a setting can be written. The BRCS of course differs significantly, because the campaign is so different.

I am personally interested to see how the Wheel of Time handled things - since you pointed it out.

Remember all things change, so whatever the 'final' BRCS product is doesn't mean it is set in concrete or that you can't 'modify' it to fit your own campaign.:)

[Eosin the Red]

irdeggman - quick and dirty.

The WoT uses FRCS as a base and extends it.
Everyone gets to choose a Background feat (3-5 per region/race) (no bonus feat for humans since nearly eveyone is human).

They also have a list of 4 background skills (No bonus to skill points, these are always a class skill, and each player gets 4 pts at 1st level to add into background skills only). All classes except Rogue get skill points bumped up by 2 points to help with the increased

There is also some equipment.

It is of course more complex than that but that should be enough to satisfy your personal curosity.

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[irdeggman]

Thanks Eosin,

I didn't want to imply that the development group is very closed-minded and not open to listening to things/ideas. We have been working diligently on this project since January (I've been on the team since late February) and have made a lot of progress. Basically we'd like to see how the finished product gets received before any drastic changes are made. The reason for this (other than the amount of work put in) is that almost everything in this project ties into something else so when one thing changes it causes a cascade effect.

Remember that a DM is free to modify anything put out as he/she sees fit so even though this will end up being the "Official" Birthright d20 Campaign Setting - that doesn't mean it has to your "official" one.

:)

[Eosin the Red]

irdeggman,

I tried to avoid making it look that way in my reply. Once you have traveled so far down a road there reaches a point where some things just are not worth the effort. I can understand that - and have been on the other side of that argument.

More good input = hopefully better output.

While `new` to Birthright, I have been around the edges for sometime but I am not new to writing stuff for a demanding crowd (I run a WoT RPG website - being remodled right now).

Everyone wants to see the `Official` conversion be the best that it can be. I hope to have to do as little House Rules as possible (not that I have a game right now). I mentioned earlier in this thread that mass appeal and portability will be key to the survival of BR, outside of our home games. I do not mean appeal to a huge new crowd, but the avoidance of fragmenting an already small population. If the `Official` version drives the community in 3 different ways than it is not a Conversion, it is a nail in the coffin. I face the same problem with the unsupported WoT RPG, every creative person who plays and contributes is a huge asset that is irreplacible. Even though it is late in the game I thought to offer my $0.02. I have at least $5.00 more in change if you ever need a sounding board.

Has any thought been given to publishing a mini game in Polyhedron? They have done it for Planescape. If BR.net does not take the lead there it would be possible for someone else to publish their version in a much more accessable format. We saw the recent partial update to the Realm Rules in Dragon that comes at them from an entirely different POV than Dooms rules. I think that not seeking publication could be a mistake. No matter how official BR.Net is many will always see something published in Dungeon as for more official. For a brief moment, I entertained writing a proposal and the outline of the mini-campaign myself. Just some musings.

Eosin the Red
>
> irdeggman wrote:
> Thanks Eosin,
>
> I didn`t want to imply that the development group is very closed-minded and not open to listening to things/ideas. We have been working diligently on this project since January (I`ve been on the team since late February) and have made a lot of progress. Basically we`d like to see how the finished product gets received before any drastic changes are made. The reason for this (other than the amount of work put in) is that almost everything in this project ties into something else so when one thing changes it causes a cascade effect.
>
> Remember that a DM is free to modify anything put out as he/she sees fit so even though this will end up being the "Official" Birthright d20 Campaign Setting - that doesn`t mean it has to your "official" one.
>
> :)
>
>

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[Raesene Andu]

Orginally posted by Eosin the Red
Everyone wants to see the `Official` conversion be the best that it can be. I hope to have to do as little House Rules as possible (not that I have a game right now). I mentioned earlier in this thread that mass appeal and portability will be key to the survival of BR, outside of our home games. I do not mean appeal to a huge new crowd, but the avoidance of fragmenting an already small population. If the `Official` version drives the community in 3 different ways than it is not a Conversion, it is a nail in the coffin. I face the same problem with the unsupported WoT RPG, every creative person who plays and contributes is a huge asset that is irreplacible. Even though it is late in the game I thought to offer my $0.02. I have at least $5.00 more in change if you ever need a sounding board.


As has been mentioned before, there is little chance that everyone will be happy with 100% of the BRCS, that is something that is probably impossible to achieve. However, hopefully we can please the majority of birthright fans and perhaps even attract a few new players.



Has any thought been given to publishing a mini game in Polyhedron? They have done it for Planescape. If BR.net does not take the lead there it would be possible for someone else to publish their version in a much more accessable format. We saw the recent partial update to the Realm Rules in Dragon that comes at them from an entirely different POV than Dooms rules. I think that not seeking publication could be a mistake. No matter how official BR.Net is many will always see something published in Dungeon as for more official. For a brief moment, I entertained writing a proposal and the outline of the mini-campaign myself. Just some musings.


If I remember correctly, this was discussed at one point by the development team (as were a number of other project), but it was decided that first we needed to complete the BRCS and then work from there. Once we have a product out there that people can see and read, then it will be time to look at a version that could be published in polyhedron or elsewhere.

[Eosin the Red]

> Raesene Andu wrote:
> As has been mentioned before, there is little chance that everyone will be happy with 100% of the BRCS, that is something that is probably impossible to achieve. However, hopefully we can please the majority of birthright fans and perhaps even attract a few new players.



That is about the best that can be expected.




> > Raesene Andu wrote:
> If I remember correctly, this was discussed at one point by the development team (as were a number of other project), but it was decided that first we needed to complete the BRCS and then work from there. Once we have a product out there that people can see and read, then it will be time to look at a version that could be published in polyhedron or elsewhere.

The only problem I can see with that is if someone beats you to the punch. Anybody could submit an unsolicited proposal tomorrow to Poly and get it published, with no warning to the BR team. Then you are left with a cool internet PDF.

I think Erik Mona has said (at ENWorld) he has a years worth of Mini games lined out so it is not likely to be an immediate problem but....? It might be wise to approach him and ensure that if something like that was submitted that he would at the least inform the BR team/Arjan. With the sale of Dungeon/Dragon/SW Gamer to Piazo there might be a Licence issue. With this new Magazine structure I am not real sure who holds final say or if Piazo sought rights in the buy-out agreement?

Of course, this may never amount to anything, but I do not think it would be a happy day for the BR team if they walked into the gamestore and saw "The Complete BIRTHRIGHT minigame" in bold letters across Polyhedron.


BTW - Who did the new logo and front page? It is incredible!

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[Elton Robb]

Now that is scary. I currently subscribe to Dungeon/Polyhedron, and I want to see our product out before the Birthright product in Poly. But we are going as fast as we possibly can. And with the addition of Richard Baker to the boards, it's only a matter of time before he's added to our team (that's why I put him in by default. :) )

Elton robb

[Ariadne]

Originally posted by Raesene Andu

As has been mentioned before, there is little chance that everyone will be happy with 100% of the BRCS, that is something that is probably impossible to achieve. However, hopefully we can please the majority of birthright fans and perhaps even attract a few new players.
This is truely right, do your best ;) !

Reasene, does anyone work on the conversion of the (normal) gods of Cerilia (as presented in "deities and demigods")? If no, I have some ideas...

[Green Knight]

Hi

Its been a while since last I checked in. When can one expect the 3E conversion. Its taking quite a while, and Im curious as to the result. Any chance of a sneak peak?

Bjorn

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[Keovar]

Not much chance of getting an answer here anytime soon, unfortunately. These boards are all but dead...