Gorgon`s armies

[Aleksei Andrievski]

Just a random thought here...

What prevents the Gorgon from casting Legion of Dead every round until he
has dozens of undead legions, then overrunning Anuire with all those
undead? At least that's what he does in BR computer game, and quite
successfully, too. I doubt any army could withstand an onslaught of 20
undead legions.

Thoughts?

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[Aleksei Andrievski]

On Mon, 30 Mar 1998, Petras Astrauskas wrote:

> > What prevents the Gorgon from casting Legion of Dead every round until he
> > has dozens of undead legions, then overrunning Anuire with all those
> > undead? At least that's what he does in BR computer game, and quite
> > successfully, too. I doubt any army could withstand an onslaught of 20
> > undead legions.
> >
> > Thoughts?
> Donno. He didn't overran me somehow in BR: the Gorgon's Alliance. Was I
> just lucky?
>
Well, what country were you playing? I noticed that if Tuarhievel and
Sielwode are CPUs, they invariably get overran by Rocky and his vassals.
Mhoried falls quite often, too. And then there's that darn alliance :)

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[Aleksei Andrievski]

Oh yes, I just remembered. The caster has to stay with his undead or they
will fall apart. Still, the Gorgon *could* spend a year building up udead
armies at his fortress (at 13 undead legions per casting that's 13*3*4=157
undead legions after a year), and then personally lead them in a takeover
of Tuarhievel. Once that is done, proceed to the next country.

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[Petras Astrauskas]

> What prevents the Gorgon from casting Legion of Dead every round until he
> has dozens of undead legions, then overrunning Anuire with all those
> undead? At least that's what he does in BR computer game, and quite
> successfully, too. I doubt any army could withstand an onslaught of 20
> undead legions.
>
> Thoughts?
Donno. He didn't overran me somehow in BR: the Gorgon's Alliance. Was I
just lucky?
Petras

[KirbyRanma]

As far as the game is concerned, you also must remember that you don't
have all the options there as you do in the RPG. Plus, the alliances change
very often from game to game. I've had games where Mhoreid and Ghore were
allies fighting Ilien, Endier, Elinie and Roesone. If you want to take out
the Gorgon in the CPU game, either play an elf domain (I prefer Seilwode) or
somewhere down south and work your way up. I've played many games on the
hardest level and have taken the Gorgon off the game board. He has produced
over 15 units in one province when that's all he owns. In the game, I believe
he does the creating of many undead legions because he has the Chalice of the
Dead and he's able to create one unit per action (thus three per turn) not
including any he creates by spell. Also, he starts out the game with 2000+
Gold Bars, 2000+ Regency Points and an extremely high income. I don't know if
that's in the RPG version or not, so that could factor in. If you notice in
the game, the elven kingdoms (especially Seilwode, if ruled by the computer)
tend to give lands away to their allies (including the dwarves) so I see
certain things in the CPU game that won't happen in the real RPG game. In the
CPU game, it's quite easy to find pretty much all the artifacts, and that most
likely won't be happening in the real game. Any more questions about the game
itself (like the easiest way to take land without going to war), feel free to
e-mail me direct.

Take care
KirbyRanma

[Memnoch]

You should also remember that in the PnP game, the Undead Legion spell has a
duration. One month + 1 week per level which with the Gorgons mage level
would add up to 5 months. The computer game doesn't have this limitation, I
believe.

Memnoch
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From: Aleksei Andrievski
To: birthright@MPGN.COM
Date: Tuesday, March 31, 1998 5:43 AM
Subject: Re: [BIRTHRIGHT] - Gorgon's armies


>
>Oh yes, I just remembered. The caster has to stay with his undead or they
>will fall apart. Still, the Gorgon *could* spend a year building up udead
>armies at his fortress (at 13 undead legions per casting that's 13*3*4=157
>undead legions after a year), and then personally lead them in a takeover
>of Tuarhievel. Once that is done, proceed to the next country.
>
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[DKEvermore]

In a message dated 98-03-30 02:55:41 EST, you write:

> > What prevents the Gorgon from casting Legion of Dead every round until he
> > has dozens of undead legions, then overrunning Anuire with all those
> > undead? At least that's what he does in BR computer game, and quite
> > successfully, too. I doubt any army could withstand an onslaught of 20
> > undead legions.
> >
> > Thoughts?
> Donno. He didn't overran me somehow in BR: the Gorgon's Alliance. Was I
> just lucky?
>
I ran Sielwode on Expert. It was pretty easy to destroy tons of undead.
Battle Magic and Warding is utterly devastating. But, remember the computer
games always "cheat" a little. I'm not sure Summon Undead Legion is a
permanent spell, though I'd have to look it up...

- -DKE

[Gary V. Foss]

Memnoch wrote:

> You should also remember that in the PnP game, the Undead Legion spell has a
> duration. One month + 1 week per level which with the Gorgons mage level
> would add up to 5 months. The computer game doesn't have this limitation, I
> believe.

This brings to mind a problem I have with the Legion of Dead spell. Why bother
with it? A 10th level mage can cast two Animate Dead spells a day, creating 20
skeletons/day. In a month s/he could create 600 skeletons (3 units). The same
10th level mage casting LoD would create 4 units, but they would vanish at the
end of the spell's duration.

In the next few levels the mage's ability to raise undead goes up quite a bit.
An eleventh level character gets three 5th level spells and and twelvth level
character gets four.

So why use the Legion of Dead spell?

- -Gary

[Memnoch]

>Memnoch wrote:
>
>> You should also remember that in the PnP game, the Undead Legion spell
has a
>> duration. One month + 1 week per level which with the Gorgons mage level
>> would add up to 5 months. The computer game doesn't have this
limitation, I
>> believe.
>
>This brings to mind a problem I have with the Legion of Dead spell. Why
bother
>with it? A 10th level mage can cast two Animate Dead spells a day,
creating 20
>skeletons/day. In a month s/he could create 600 skeletons (3 units). The
same
>10th level mage casting LoD would create 4 units, but they would vanish at
the
>end of the spell's duration.
>
>In the next few levels the mage's ability to raise undead goes up quite a
bit.
>An eleventh level character gets three 5th level spells and and twelvth
level
>character gets four.
>
>So why use the Legion of Dead spell?
>
>-Gary

Well, it comes down to the composition of the units. A legion of Dead spell
creates or raises normal skeletons, zombies and monster skeletons and
zombies. If you would check out the dragon annual that works out the
differences between the war cards and the battlesystem (#2 I believe), you
will see the difference between the units. Essentially, a undead unit of
archers is an archer unit that ignores all R and F results except those
caused by magic, but the scores are the same as the archer unit. The Undead
legion is much more powerful.

Memnoch
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