Elven Priests

[Tim Nutting]

I know there's been lots of debate on the list about these guys, and
several people have decided that they use variants of druids or shamans for
elvish priests, but in reading through Tuarhievel player's secrets there is
an interesting note on religion. Human religions are outlawed there, but
there is a special provision made that mentions that if an elf chooses to
worship a human deity, that is his choice, he just can't say anything there
at home.

Would this indicate to anyone else that one of the Sidhe could be a priest
in the class sense of the word? It does to me...

Semi-related: What about a druid class that uses the optional
Preserver/Defiler rules out of Chapter 6 in PO: Spells & Magic? any
thoughts?

[Gary V. Foss]

Tim Nutting wrote:

> I know there's been lots of debate on the list about these guys, and
> several people have decided that they use variants of druids or shamans for
> elvish priests, but in reading through Tuarhievel player's secrets there is
> an interesting note on religion. Human religions are outlawed there, but
> there is a special provision made that mentions that if an elf chooses to
> worship a human deity, that is his choice, he just can't say anything there
> at home.
>
> Would this indicate to anyone else that one of the Sidhe could be a priest
> in the class sense of the word? It does to me...

Well, I would not be opposed to a PC or a unique NPC that was an elven priest,
but I don't think you could just open up the class to elves without drastically
changing the way they were originally designed/intended to fit into the BR
system.

- -Gary

[LordSchmit@aol.co]

In a message dated 8/8/98 12:51:51 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
GeeMan@linkline.com writes:

Would this indicate to anyone else that one of the Sidhe could be a
priest
> in the class sense of the word? It does to me...

Well, I would not be opposed to a PC or a unique NPC that was an elven
priest,
but I don't think you could just open up the class to elves without
drastically
changing the way they were originally designed/intended to fit into the BR
system.

-Gary >>

I agree. One of the many things that makes the BR world interesting is the
atheism (is that the right word?) of Cerilia's elves. Suddenly giving the
Sidhe the ability to be priests takes away from that uniqueness.

[LordSchmit@aol.co]

In a message dated 8/8/98 12:51:51 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
GeeMan@linkline.com writes:

Would this indicate to anyone else that one of the Sidhe could be a
priest
> in the class sense of the word? It does to me...

Well, I would not be opposed to a PC or a unique NPC that was an elven
priest,
but I don't think you could just open up the class to elves without
drastically
changing the way they were originally designed/intended to fit into the BR
system.

-Gary >>

I agree. One of the many things that makes the BR world interesting is the
atheism (is that the right word?) of Cerilia's elves. Suddenly giving the
Sidhe the ability to be priests takes away from that uniqueness.

[Gary V. Foss]

> I agree. One of the many things that makes the BR world interesting is the
> atheism (is that the right word?) of Cerilia's elves. Suddenly giving the
> Sidhe the ability to be priests takes away from that uniqueness.

Well, I'd call it "rationalism" but I'm a godless heathen..... :-)

[James Ray]

the only problem with Defiling/Preserving are the time constraints it puts
on the caster, making it take longer for the Preserver to summon forth the
magic to cast his spells. Would you be tying the number of spells, spell
points, or spell levels a Druid can cast to the wilderness level of the
province he's casting the spell in or anything? Maybe the Druid would be
able to gather his magical energy faster in wilder realms, and in settled
provinces, he would have to wait, just like PO: S&M says.

- ----------
> From: Tim Nutting


> Semi-related: What about a druid class that uses the optional
> Preserver/Defiler rules out of Chapter 6 in PO: Spells & Magic? any
> thoughts?

[Craig Greeson]

Greetings All,
I would think the human deities themselves would be very reluctant to
accept a member of the Sidhelien as a priest. The gods were all human
(albeit exceptional humans) prior to the cataclysm of Mt. Deismaar. They
would undoubtedly remember the elven hatred of men. In fact, they all
experienced the wrath of the Sidhelien first hand in the battles prior to
the elves leaving Azrai's side at Mt. Deismaar.

I doubt the Vos warriors would be at all pleased to find that Belinik was
granting priestly powers to an elf. The same goes for the rest of the
human gods, although some would seem more logical than others (Ruornil and
Erik come to mind). For the most part, I would think that humans on
Cerilia are not going to look favorably on a deity who grants a bit of his
divine power to one of those "baby killing Sidhe-demons."

Of course, there is always an exception to every rule in the AD&D
multiverse. It would seem logical that somewhere, somehow, an elf had
found favor with a human deity. I would just think that it would be very,
very rare. If the god consented, I can't see any reason why an elf could
NEVER be a priest.

Regards
Craig

Peter Hodge wrote:
>
> I am personally a fan of the elves "godless" existence and so would instead
> take that statement to mean that an elf can worship one of the human deities
> in the same way that the vast majority of humans do - as "parishioners"
> rather than actual priests. The elves have been without gods of their own
> for something like 18,000 years (if I remember my time-line correctly) so I
> think it would take a little more than an elf just deciding that he wanted
> to worship a god to be allowed to be a priest of that god. Any elf
> worshipping a human (or any race for that matter) deity would probably have
> this little kernel of disbelief that 18,000 or so years of elven history has
> built up and simply not be able to achieve the same degree of belief as
> human priests, who, after all, have had gods for as far back as the records
> go.

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> >
> > Would this indicate to anyone else that one of the Sidhe could be a priest
> > in the class sense of the word? It does to me...
> >