Nature of Magic: Is this logica

[Pieter Sleijpen]

::Evil Grin::

I am not exactly a FR expert, but doesn't Elminster already has got a
bloodline? :-)

Pieter Sleijpen

[the Falcon]

> I am not exactly a FR expert, but doesn't Elminster already has got a
> bloodline? :-)

mmm... He conceivably could have (well, something like it, anyways) since
he is one of the Chosen of Mystra and all. Invested with Her power;
special abilities and immunities and stuff like that...

[Pieter Sleijpen]

darkstar wrote:
>
> the Falcon wrote:
> >
> > > If the source of his magic is extraplanar, I would rule it cut off by the
> > > Shadow World while he was on Cerilia.
> >
> > A question related to that topic:
> >
> > How "easy" is access to the Ephereal Plane and the Astral Plane from
> > Cerilia?
> >
> Well in the Outer Plane accessory I am working on for Birthright
> (http://members.xoom.com/ihoskins/book/) access to the Etheral plane is
> almost impossible, while access to the Astral Plane is normal. That is
> only one person view though.

As far as I can see, the official cannon on the Ethereal Plane and
Cerilia is that the Shadow World actually is in the place of the Border
Ethereal (or even is the border ethereal). Every spell and/or item that
places a character in the Ethereal will place him in the Shadow World
instead. The fear my players have for the Shadow World (mainly due to
stories) actually makes sure that the priest of Avani hardly ever uses
the spell to go to the Ethereal plane for several rounds.

Pieter Sleijpen

[Kenneth Gauck]

The former gets you drunk, the latter was worn by that famous emperor
reputed to have gone naked.

>
>So then what would an _oil_of_etherealness_ do in Cerilia? What about
>_armor_of_etherealness_?
>

[brandes]

- -----Original Message-----
From: Pieter Sleijpen
To: birthright@mpgn.com
Date: Friday, February 26, 1999 10:41 AM
Subject: Re: [BIRTHRIGHT] - Nature of Magic: Is this logical?


>::Evil Grin::
>
>I am not exactly a FR expert, but doesn't Elminster already has got a
>bloodline? :-)
>
>Pieter Sleijpen
>
Yeah, he's a Chosen Of Mystra. That's a lot like being a True bloodline,
except that Mystra wouldn't be able to save him on Cerilia, having no
influence there.
On the other hand, Elminster would get to be real good friends with Ruornil,
since he makes Ruornil's avatar look like a wuss. Course, he does that on
Faerun too, at least where most demigods are concerned.
Brandes

[Ben]

>Yeah, he's a Chosen Of Mystra. That's a lot like being a True bloodline,
>except that Mystra wouldn't be able to save him on Cerilia, having no
>influence there.
>On the other hand, Elminster would get to be real good friends with
Ruornil,
>since he makes Ruornil's avatar look like a wuss. Course, he does that on
>Faerun too, at least where most demigods are concerned.
>Brandes
>


You'll have to excuse my ignorance here. (I never cared for AD&D before
BR came out, and I know less than jack about FR.)
Why doesn't Elminster just ascend to godhood?


Ben

[Olesens]

brandes wrote:

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pieter Sleijpen
> To: birthright@mpgn.com
> Date: Friday, February 26, 1999 10:41 AM
> Subject: Re: [BIRTHRIGHT] - Nature of Magic: Is this logical?
>
> >::Evil Grin::
> >
> >I am not exactly a FR expert, but doesn't Elminster already has got a
> >bloodline? :-)
> >
> >Pieter Sleijpen
> >
> Yeah, he's a Chosen Of Mystra. That's a lot like being a True bloodline,
> except that Mystra wouldn't be able to save him on Cerilia, having no
> influence there.
> On the other hand, Elminster would get to be real good friends with Ruornil,
> since he makes Ruornil's avatar look like a wuss.

Well not "since" but because they have similar ideals (I assume). But even
Elminster couldn't kill Rounil with spells (since Ruornil can "harmlessly absorb
any wizard spell cast at him").

[brandes]

>>Yeah, he's a Chosen Of Mystra. That's a lot like being a True bloodline,
>>except that Mystra wouldn't be able to save him on Cerilia, having no
>>influence there.
>>On the other hand, Elminster would get to be real good friends with
>Ruornil,
>>since he makes Ruornil's avatar look like a wuss. Course, he does that on
>>Faerun too, at least where most demigods are concerned.
>>Brandes
>>
>
>
> You'll have to excuse my ignorance here. (I never cared for AD&D before
>BR came out, and I know less than jack about FR.)
> Why doesn't Elminster just ascend to godhood?
>
>
>Ben

Okay, this is hopelessly off-topic for a Birthright mailing list, but
Elminster doesn't ascend to godhood because:
A. Mystra doesn't need any more allied gods; she needs mortals. Since
apotheosis requires a divine sponsor, Elminster would have to gain her
approval first.
B. Ascension requires something like 40th level in the Realms. The Old
Mage is 29th; the highest level mage that I know of in the Realms is 32nd (a
lich in Tethyr or some such).
C. He doesn't want to; he has enough responsibilities already.
Any questions?

Brandes

[the Falcon]

So IYC, people _drink_ magical oils? Interesting... Great laxatives,
of course. :)

> The former gets you drunk, the latter was worn by that famous emperor
> reputed to have gone naked.
> >
> >So then what would an _oil_of_etherealness_ do in Cerilia? What about
> >_armor_of_etherealness_?

[the Falcon]

> B. Ascension requires something like 40th level in the Realms. The Old
> Mage is 29th; the highest level mage that I know of in the Realms is 32nd (a
> lich in Tethyr or some such).

Actually, it requires 25th level, one ability scores of at least 21
(IIRC), and another one of at least 19. Also, you'll need the support of
an already existin god of at least lesser stature and the possession of an
artifact. And then finally, you'll need to come up with some special rite
in which you will sacrife about all of your wordly possessions. And even
should you get completely through this ordeal, Ao (the Overlord of the
Realms) might just reject your polite request and turn you into something
else entirely. That's a really short summary of it, anyways.

> C. He doesn't want to; he has enough responsibilities already.

Indeed, who needs another demi-god? And the demi-god of what, anyways?
The only thing that becomin a demi-god would get Elminster, is conflict
with other gods.

- the Falcon