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01-31-2024, 02:00 AM #31
I created it on Inkarnate. Feel free to copy, clone, edit, use, or ignore, as desired.
Map of Rheulgard by me.
I'm not a professional cartographer or graphic designer (clearly) but feel free to PM me if you'd like to request a free map of a particular Birthright realm or region.
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01-31-2024, 02:39 AM #32
Yes, the "Kharnegui tribe" was made up for that pbp campaign. It was probably used to explain the "Carnegui Resolution", a historical event used as an example of the Sphinx' negotiating tactics. AFAIK, the city-state of Sefra was also made up for that campaign.
Canon only names a single individual with Vos blood in the area -- a Vos Fighter/Druid (I think) who lives in the realm of the Sphinx.
That said, I freely admit that there could be a passage I missed in one of the sourcebooks somewhere. That's why I was asking where the info is coming from. But, if the only place it is mentioned is twilightpeaks, that certainly doesn't make it canon.
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02-01-2024, 10:53 PM #33
Sorry, I should correct a misstatement I made in my previous post. Canon-wise, the Kharneghui clan did indeed exist. They once ruled over a portion of the Tarvan Wastes.
They were based out of old Irbouda and when the Sphinx rose to power, they fell.
Nothing about the old realm of Sefra is canon.
In my personal opinion, people should not be allowed to use this site to present information relevant only to a private campaign. Which is why I have a problem with the Birthright Wiki allowing pure fiction to be presented without anything flagging it as such. Visitors to this site can't rely on the info they find there, which is an absolute shame.
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02-02-2024, 08:18 AM #34
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02-02-2024, 08:37 AM #35
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See my post above.
Again, see my post above. The Vos raided into the Tarvan Waste. They pillaged Sefra, and took away many slaves.
But, the question of where those Vos came from is up for debate - because it's not clear. Most likely Molochev, I agree, but it's not clear.
What really doesn't make sense is for a great goblin nation to sit around for centuries not doing anything about a group of humans sitting directly above them. Because, you know, the Vos where there since Deismaar, but the goblins were there for thousands of years before that...
I agree, except for the latter. However, it is possible. And, it sure would be nice to know for sure... that is what this site is for, isn't it?
They were there for approximately 3 years. That doesn't say to me that they "were just passing through."
You better reread that passage again. It states, "... and the nobles among them met to divide up their newly gained southern Vos territories."
That says to me that they were staying, and had every intention of keeping said territory.
Actually, history (i.e. canon) does record it - it's stated in TotHW that some Brecht fled south.
But, it also says that the goblins only hemmed the Brecht in before the Battle of Lake Ladan - the goblins didn't kill the Brecht forces fleeing from that debacle; the Vos did.
Now who's presenting personal opinion as fact?
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02-03-2024, 05:49 AM #36
If you recall, I did ask where you were getting your information from because. I went on to say "Clearly I am missing something that you're seeing."
Ok, great. But let's recall the context in which you originally presented this information. You stated that there are people in the Tarvan Wastes with mixed Khinasi/Vos heritage. Despite the fact that Serfa did, indeed, exist and the Vos did, indeed pillage it, there is no indication that they remained in the area. They were raiders, not settlers, correct?
TotHW outright states that Kal Kalthor was not always as expansive as it is today. And they presumedly had heavy losses at Mt. Deismaar.
How do you figure 3 years?
I know it says that. In fact, I quoted that in an earlier post.
Yes, they met to divide up their newly-gained southern Vos territories.. which tells us that they had not previously done so. And, yes, it's reasonable to presume they had every intention of staying. But what happened next? What event occurred that interrupted their meeting..?
Actually, according to canon, history does NOT record it. In fact, very few historians recall the goblin's part in the Battle of Lake Ladan. Look at the official Timeline of Cerilia. Where does IT say the Brecht forces fled?
I think you might be confusing events.. TotHW states that a few of the Brecht forces fled south from the frozen battlefield of Lake Ladan, acknowledging that this tidbit of information contradicts what historical records say ("historical records" being the official "Timeline of Cerilia", I think). But then it goes on to say that the goblins "rose up and slew the few Brecht troops that assembled on the southern shore."
So, those who fled "south" got as far as the shoreline. I don't see any indication that they fled further into Kal Kalthor much less back into Molochev.
In this instance, I don't really think you're presenting personal opinion as fact. I just think you misunderstand what the facts are. Or, who knows, perhaps I do. For example, I see a passage in HotGB that states "after a few easily won victories, the Brecht mostly squabbled over the spoils and those they expected to gather after future battles." I also see that, as the eve of the Battle of Lake Ladan in 1140HC, the leaders of the Brecht forces were still arguing about the division of spoils. The only reason they stopped arguing is because Basil attacked them and the Battle of Lake Ladan ensued.
I don't see how any of that translates to a Brecht nation in Molochev. But maybe I missed a passage in the source material that states something to the effect of "The Brecht nobles invested the provinces of Molochev and remained there for three years where they created (a short-lived) Brecht nation."
Is that the case?Last edited by Magnus Argent; 02-10-2024 at 04:07 AM.
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